Putnam park April 28th and 29th

[ipassedu2]

Who is going? So far there are 3 of us and a couple pit people going for the weekend. I hope it is warm by then,but at least i get to ride! You can get a pass at cycleoptions.com.

[EvilTwin]

Which bike(s) are you taking?

[ipassedu2]

The TL and 750. TL will be a backup this time.

[vera]

Who is going?

Would love to if I can find someone who can throw my bike on the back of a trailer.

PM me if there is a spot somewhere. Thanks.

[chrisOH]

I hope to be breaking in the new GSXR 1k 2007 for the WERA race the next weekend. So should be there both days.

[Kanatuna]

I am trying to get some things in line to be able to go. Im not really sure at this point. If I go, I'll be on the Tuna!!!:thumbsup

[ped]

anyone concerned about the weather? specifically the temps.who the hell knows with this weird winter, it maybe 55 degrees.

[ipassedu2]

I just hope the weather is dry! If it is as low as 45 i wont care as long as the track is dry and clean. If its cold i guess i will just have to take an extra warm up lap :)

[ped]

yeah i guess you can run some extra low pressures too. the way things are looking, money wise i might be able to do. i want to wait and see around the end of march how things shape up.

[zx7rking]

Guess i better get started on putting my bike back together....

[WOZERD]

Anybody got an 05 or 06 RC51 I can borrow??? :)

[witttom]

Who is going? So far there are 3 of us and a couple pit people going for the weekend. I hope it is warm by then,but at least i get to ride! You can get a pass at cycleoptions.com.

http://www.colecarothers.com/registration.html

Do they break the "Sport/Street" class down into sub groups?

[ipassedu2]

No they just put all them into one catagory. It is fun to start there,but you have many begginers in the sport/street group so i'd say try it then you can move up if you feel like it.

[chrisOH]

If you want the beginner group to be broken down I would suggest looking at Sportbike Track Time as their free beginner level has free classroom instruction and on track instruction I would say equal to Reg Pridmore's CLASS riding school that is $300+

[witttom]

No they just put all them into one catagory. It is fun to start there,but you have many begginers in the sport/street group so i'd say try it then you can move up if you feel like it.If you want the beginner group to be broken down I would suggest looking at Sportbike Track Time as their free beginner level has free classroom instruction and on track instruction I would say equal to Reg Pridmore's CLASS riding school that is $300+I'd like to get some track time in on my Speed Four this year, but honestly think that I may find the mixture of slower beginner riders a bit annoying, but nor would I want to be lumped into a group where I'm riding with guys who are running over my ass. I certainly don't plan to take my Trophy onto the track like I did at Nelson Ledges, so I think my lap times would see a slight improvement with the S4. Hehe...

[ipassedu2]

The intermediate group is great fun! If you are sure that you wont be holding people up get into this group. I found the begginer group good for first time track riders,but if you are not new at it the slow riders in begginer class will deff slow you down and possible scare the hell out of you. I will be doing the intermediate all day sat then expert for Sun. It will be great! No matter what you do you will have fun and get allot of track time in.:jamout

[kyrex1]

I did it 2 years ago and had a great time. ran the street group and was able to spend most of the day riding with about 3 other people. just seemed that every session we all just seem to hook up, all running about ths same pace. we passed each other, and got repassed in turn. no problems with anyone running real stupid. got in 150 miles all told. I'm thinking very seriously about going again this year. I've already signed up for a track day the 1st of august at mid-ohio, but Putnam is a really fun track that I'd like to ride again.

patrick

[joeybeppy]

anyone concerned about the weather? specifically the temps.who the hell knows with this weird winter, it maybe 55 degrees.

I had a few work buddies do this event a few times, and well lets say that they would of loved 55 degrees. They had high winds with snow flurries... ouch! Maybe we're getting the bad stuff out of the way early this year?

[Ducati Hottie 999]

I would be willing to offer up my ride if someone wants to split costs with me have trailer and 600 rr will travel! Ready to race just looking for someone to play with! Hit me @ ducatihottie999@gmail.com.

[witttom]

Someone mentioned a backup bike. Can you take more than one bike, and switch off mid-stream (assuming both bikes pass tech inspection of course)?

[chrisOH]

Well Cycle options Sport street group is mostly run like most Organizations Intermediate group from what I have seen.

I would say if you don't think you will be running below a 1:35 lap at Putnam then the sport street group will be fine.

The intermediate group has some guys that are running low 1:30s all the way down to 1:22 range. Advance is generally right around the 1:22 range and under for most organizations. I dropped down to Intermediate with NESBA last October since i was not 100% after the accident and it was dang near STT Advanced group.

With Cycle Options the Advance group will probably only see some in the 1:17 range as the lowest. (Just a guess) but NESBA had control riders running 1:15s on a cold track. If you've been on the track before the Intermediate group may be good.

[chrisOH]

Someone mentioned a backup bike. Can you take more than one bike, and switch off mid-stream (assuming both bikes pass tech inspection of course)?

Yeah you can tech as many bikes as you want I believe. I will be bringing my 03 GSXR 600 race and my new K7 GSXR 1000 race bike.

[Stop4No1]

99% sure i'll be there. i'm trying to do a race school around the same time but as long as they don't conflict then i'll do both days at putnam. you better come strong with that new gixxer Brandon........ i'm dying to see what its got!!

[ipassedu2]

I hope you are the there! I cant wait to have this 4cyl on the track and you are in trouble! My best time of 121.somthing on the TL is going down! I want teens! By the way can Anyone tell me where i can buy one of those laser timer things?

[matd]

you better come strong with that new gixxer Brandon........ i'm dying to see what its got!!

Now now kids. It's just a track-day. Save the taunting and danger for the hotel parking lot. I'm 99% sure I'll be at the hotel with the race-track encircling it. You?:rolleyes:

[ipassedu2]

I cant wait for the parking lot races! I have got to get a pit bike asap! I am going to stay at the hotel with the bar i think so i will have to bring my racebike if i get one to your hotel track!

[matd]

You are wasting your money at that place. Just ride your minibike to the bar from the cheap hotel. If you get one. Sooooo... knock the cobwebs off that wallet and buy one. You deserve it.:asantaani

[Stop4No1]

i got the KD80X in the basement tinkiring. hopefully i can get it runnin right by then. i found that sport tires for vespa scooters and that kinda thing fit right on the rims. that empty burger king lot will be like a mini putnam!!

[Lizard 1]

Tom-

I know you hate my guts, but here's some advice - do an STT track day as opposed to a Cycle Options or other similar days. Reason is that STT is VERY well organized and they have track coaches that will constantly evaluate your riding and make an assessment of your abilities. If you start out in the beginners class (recommend to most riders) and get a feel for the track w/o having advanced riders blitzing by, you can easily move up if warranted.

However, unlike STT, you won't be able to simply walk up and ask and get approval. STT will have a track coach evaluate and decide. Much more legit and less likely to have the wrong types of riders mixed together.

Now, before the Cycle Options folks take that as a jab to their track days, I am not. I am simply stating that if this is your first rodeo, take the best organized group's track day first to get your wings. The guys at STT will do a little extra in making sure your day is safe, fun, and exciting.

I had a TERRIBLE experience with a track day at Putnam and it wasn't because of the situation - it was because they simply allowed a kid into the advanced group with just a simple "sure" for him to go and he was way too low skill level-wise to be out there with us and the mixture lead to a severe crash with me on the wrong end of the stick...

STT all the way.

[WOZERD]

"Now, before the Cycle Options folks take that as a jab to their track days, I am not. I am simply stating that if this is your first rodeo, take the best organized group's track day first to get your wings. The guys at STT will do a little extra in making sure your day is safe, fun, and exciting."


Liz-- all above is true-- for the most part-- but! Take into account the price difference, the smaller group of riders and-- the fact that the same thing (riders moving up without the experience-- based on the riders own concept of thier skill level) happens at STT (albeit until they get caught). I can vouch for the fact that at STT I have almost rear ended other riders and been passed like I was a fence post (on the inside, within inches) in the intermediate group with STT by the same rider(s) repeatedly. Now, intermediate group encompasses a wider range of skill level than the other two groups soooo I take that into account. The only criticism I can offer on Cycle Options is to change the name "STREET" class to "beginner". That would be a more apt description and forwarn new (to CYOP's) riders of what to expect.
I still like Cycle Options track day and-- given a choice, would go with them over STT. Especially if the track was Putnam.

[chrisOH]

$30 is that much of a difference when you get more for your money, and I have seen the same numbers of participants at both organizations.

The Intermediate group is the most dangerous IMO due to the wide variation in skill levels at all associations. But I did like STT old passing rule (but I think they have changed it) to 6ft inside and outside which seemed to give those who had the run a way to get around since sometimes the outside is not an option.

[Kzxpilot]

If you really want to get your feet wet and learn something, go take the fastrax's class instead. Yes it is expensive, but so is falling, getting run over, running off the track, etc... It' broken up into two groups, with 30 min. on track, 30 in the classroom for the entire day. You will get more time than the previous two discussed track adventure's. For the most part it is a safer enviroment to lean.

[vera]

I would be willing to offer up my ride if someone wants to split costs with me have trailer and 600 rr will travel! Ready to race just looking for someone to play with! Hit me @ ducatihottie999@gmail.com.

You have been hit. :jamout

[witttom]

I know you hate my guts, but here's some advice - do an STT track day as opposed to a Cycle Options or other similar days. Reason is that STT is VERY well organized and they have track coaches that will constantly evaluate your riding and make an assessment of your abilities. If you start out in the beginners class (recommend to most riders) and get a feel for the track w/o having advanced riders blitzing by, you can easily move up if warranted.Thanks for the advice. I have considered STT in the past.

The Intermediate group is the most dangerous IMO due to the wide variation in skill levels at all associations.I've never really thought of it that way. Part of my concerns are also with the bike of choice, hense the questions concerning getting multiple bikes tech'd. In addition to my S4, I'd also like to run my Suzuki Cafe a bit. Although I think it would surprise a few people, it's probably not the bike to be running in the intermediate group.

If you really want to get your feet wet and learn something, go take the fastrax's class instead. Yes it is expensive, but so is falling, getting run over, running off the track, etc... It' broken up into two groups, with 30 min. on track, 30 in the classroom for the entire day. You will get more time than the previous two discussed track adventure's. For the most part it is a safer enviroment to lean.Been there, done that, enjoyed it very much. Wanted the opportunity to go faster, but the track time allowed me to push it further than I ever could on the street.

[chrisOH]

Well Wittom I actually ran with Barnacle Bill and a buddy who were on I think 1960s cafe racers they used to race and they were in the Advance group with us. However they were never in the way. On the straights they were inside for the next turn for easy work around and being inside at entrance they were always visible going into the corner so you could set up a nice easy outside pass with no drama.

[witttom]

Well Wittom I actually ran with Barnacle Bill and a buddy who were on I think 1960s cafe racers they used to race and they were in the Advance group with us. However they were never in the way. On the straights they were inside for the next turn for easy work around and being inside at entrance they were always visible going into the corner so you could set up a nice easy outside pass with no drama.My Suzuki Cafe handles extremely well in the rural corners (although there is some frame flex!), but the top speed due to my lower gearing is a true 118mph at redline (it'll go a little past redline). However, anything above 110 or so becomes a bit hairy in less than perfect conditions.

[RJH_5150]

That's about how fast I had Mike's Husky up to on Putnam's front straight last year. I just stayed to the inside so I wouldn't get run over by the liter bikes. Of course I didn't have to brake for turn one on that thing. Hell, by the time I was back to the front straight I was so far ahead of the people who past me last lap that it didn't even matter. That thing has amazing corner speed.

[A4est]

I have been to quite a few track days with different organizers. I highly recommend if it is your first track day, you go to one with a true "Classroom & Track" setting that teaches you how to safely ride on a track! Once you have been through at least one of those training days. You will be able to enjoy any track day!
The track days run by clubs can be more fun with more track time than an organized class setting day. But it would increase the chances of negative things happening to you, your bike, or a fellow rider. Unless you & the others have had proper instruction prior to hitting the track.
As to the bike you ride? For your first visit, it doesn't matter if you take my advice above. I have seen Goldwings pass GSXR 600s in a beginner class. They are more laid back. You will know what works for you on a track after that day.
Most of my track days have been on a sport tour bike (Ducati 907) or a standard (FZ1). Neither are track weapons, but both are an absolute blast! You wouldn't believe how satisfying it is to pass a GSXR 1000 on a standard at a track. :rolleyes: So far I have only had my Super Moto (WR) on a go-cart track. I can't wait to take it to some place like Mid-Ohio or Putnam.
One thing is for sure. I have NEVER had more fun than at a track day! Each and every time I go, I can't get the $#!^ eating grin off my face for a week. There is no doubt it wouldn't be as fun if I waffled a bike, or worse. If you are on the fence, get off and do a track day! If you do it properly and ride safe, you will kick you self for waiting this long!
My 2 sense. Take it or leave it.

[RJH_5150]

The early registration deadline for Cycleoptions April 28 and 29 track-day is April 1st. Go to the site (http://www.cycleoptions.com) or contact Kenny at (513)751-8990. See you all there! :thumbsup

[zx7rking]

The early registration deadline for Cycleoptions April 28 and 29 track-day is April 1st. Go to the site (http://www.cycleoptions.com) or contact Kenny at (513)751-8990. See you all there! :thumbsup


HUH??? Crap..guess I'll miss this one

[ipassedu2]

God i cant wait! 1 month away now and i have 6 people going with me now and that # keeps growing. I really like cycle options because of the lack of rules. I was a little scared on the track at first,but after a couple sessions you learn how the track basically works. Did i already say i couldnt wait!!!!

By the way Chris do you know if i can keep my race rails on my bike for Putnam?

[chrisOH]

Just signed up.

Hey Rob I sent a Email to Kenny asking about doing CR in the other levels.

Is there anyone else I should contact?

[shakenbake]

do you know if i can keep my race rails on my bike for Putnam?



Depends, What are Race Rails?

[Todd#43]

Depends, What are Race Rails?

You should know this Mike...all the cool guys have 'em :smoke

http://www.powersstuntworx.com/images/race%20railz%202006%20suz%20600%20750%20004.jpg

[Lizard 1]

You should know this Mike...all the cool guys have 'em :smoke

http://www.powersstuntworx.com/images/race%20railz%202006%20suz%20600%20750%20004.jpg

Are those seriously intended for racing? Or, are they smaller STUNTA bars? Man, I'd hate to see what those things do to a track...

Where's my 12 o'clock, yo?

[shakenbake]

Oh, Stunter Cages, Yo!

Why do they call them race rails? Wouldn't Stunter Rails be a better name?

[Todd#43]

Are those seriously intended for racing? Or, are they smaller STUNTA bars? Man, I'd hate to see what those things do to a track...

Where's my 12 o'clock, yo?

Somewhere on the website it said they were WERA and CCS approved.

Depending on what they're made of, they might not hurt the track.

[Lizard 1]

Somewhere on the website it said they were WERA and CCS approved.

Depending on what they're made of, they might not hurt the track.

I guess it protects quite a bit of the stuff like case covers, etc. Can you imagine the sparks that thing puts off?

Looks kinda compact, as well.... Hmmmmmm. Might be a new thing, eh?

[Todd#43]

I guess it protects quite a bit of the stuff like case covers, etc. Can you imagine the sparks that thing puts off?

Looks kinda compact, as well.... Hmmmmmm. Might be a new thing, eh?

I found them here:

http://www.powersstuntworx.com/railz.html

Depending on the bike, they look like a giant PITA - especially when it comes to getting bodywork off.

On the plus side, they do have 12 o'clock barz for yo fiddy :thumbsup

[ipassedu2]

they are not for stunting. They are made like stunt cages however, they basically the spread the impact force to 2 places on the frame. Sliders can break off and these are like super sliders. I do wonder what they do to the tack,but i would think solid rear sets would be just as bad. I might have to give them a call on this unless someone here knows.

[Todd#43]

but i would think solid rear sets would be just as bad.

Most solid rear sets are aluminum - like the puck is on these, so they grind away pretty quickly.

[chrisOH]

Except at Turn 8 at Jennings. Man that apex is nothing but gouges in the pavement.


Yeah these would be nice if they were a nice quick on quick off deal for racing.

[WOZERD]

Well, I >> might<< be going. I accidently won the right to pay for an '05 RC51. (How was I to know an additional $26.00 1 day and 3 hours before it ended would be enough?). Anyway. All I need is a new set of Diablo Corsa's and I'm there. I have to pick it up this weekend in MD.
I will have room on the trailer but-- I don't do motels. Or campgrounds. I generally do parking lots or rest areas. I can drop you off at the motel or campground. 50/50 on the gas

[In The Blood]

I'm all signed up for both days and keeping my fingers crossed for some decent riding weather.

[EvilTwin]

Hey John, what group will you be in?

[In The Blood]

I'll be in the advanced group. Are you signed up and ready?

[EvilTwin]

John, come on - is the pope a catholic? Is water wet? :D

[RJH_5150]

I thought the pope was catholic. :what:

[chrisOH]

Well no 1k for this one or probably the Nelson or Grattan round.


Crap.

[In The Blood]

Looks like there are still spots available for anyone who was on the fence. It looks like the weather will be turning back in our direction if we can get past this weekend. Good weather to drill for safety wire for me though.

[shakenbake]

The 'Tard will be there, looking to put the spank on Kawi's everywhere!!!!!:cool:

[Hyflyer]

I was looking at the Putnam site to see the schedule for the 28th weekend but their server is down. I think I would like to come out and do some 'lookin and learnin'. Is this both Saturday and Sunday?

[In The Blood]

Yes, Both Saturday and Sunday.

[EvilTwin]

Good weather to drill for safety wire for me though.

Hmm...selling the dirt bike, drilling safetywire - John, are you going road-racing this season?

[In The Blood]

That's the plan. Empy the bank accounts and charge up those credit cards cause we're going racing. Just don't tell the wife how much I'm spending.

[WOZERD]

Speaking of charging up those credit cards--- Have to get new tires-- any feedback on the Pirelli Diablo Corsa III's? I am looking at Michelin Power 2CT's but have been sooooo burned by my old Pilot Sports (circa 2004) and how they would "step out" on me. They took for ever to warm up and cooled down immediately at a stop sign. I loved my Diablo Corsa's but they don't make em in my size (190 rear) anymore. I know, I know, the 180 is supposed to allow you to "turn in" with more precision but, I don't go fast enough to worry about that. I'll sacrifice turn in for a bigger contact patch while leaned over. Where's the best price??

[WOZERD]

The 'Tard will be there, looking to put the spank on Kawi's everywhere!!!!!:cool:

squish your little head!:Pest:

[Lizard 1]

Speaking of charging up those credit cards--- Have to get new tires-- any feedback on the Pirelli Diablo Corsa III's? I am looking at Michelin Power 2CT's but have been sooooo burned by my old Pilot Sports (circa 2004) and how they would "step out" on me. They took for ever to warm up and cooled down immediately at a stop sign. I loved my Diablo Corsa's but they don't make em in my size (190 rear) anymore. I know, I know, the 180 is supposed to allow you to "turn in" with more precision but, I don't go fast enough to worry about that. I'll sacrifice turn in for a bigger contact patch while leaned over. Where's the best price??

If a tire steps out on you, it isn't because it sucks - it's because you ham fist the throttle before the temps are where they need to be... Also, the Pilot Sports are nothing like the CTs. I cannot give you any feedback on CTs as they are a track day tire or aggressive street tire, but the Pilot Races are excellent and beyond what average riders can push beyond. Pretty much any race compound tire from Dunlop, Michelin, or Pirelli are going to be excellent choices...

By the way, don't know why you think they don't make a 190 - every 1000 has them stock oem, but whatever the case, here's a link to the Diablo IIIs :

http://www.pirellityre.com/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/hypersport/none&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=1841&uri=/pirellityre/en_IT/browser/xml/catalog/moto/MOTO_MV_DIABLOCORSAIII_HYP.xml

By the way, what bike are you putting these 190s on? It matters a bunch. If you are fast enough for a 190 at full lean angle, cool. Otherwise, for street application, a 190 is a HUGE waste of money for a 750 and smaller. You'll never utilize the rear as intended when guys step up to a 190....

190 for the track isn't even as useful for slower guys. Most guys like top privateers and average to above average club riders can use a 190 as it will indeed give that bigger foot print at FULL lean angles under power, but to an average track day guy or a beginning novice rider, it is a waste of money as you cannot carry the high corner speeds or accelerate while at a large degree of lean. Not a bash, just simple facts...

[RJH_5150]

So....

Did you get it (or them :) ) back together? Hope to see you out there.

Guess i better get started on putting my bike back together....

[chrisOH]

Hey did the new Shields drop yet?

[RJH_5150]

Not that I know of. I am sure I would have heard something if he did.

[WOZERD]

"If a tire steps out on you, it isn't because it sucks - it's because you ham fist the throttle before the temps are where they need to be... Also, the Pilot Sports are nothing like the CTs. I cannot give you any feedback on CTs as they are a track day tire or aggressive street tire, but the Pilot Races are excellent and beyond what average riders can push beyond. Pretty much any race compound tire from Dunlop, Michelin, or Pirelli are going to be excellent choices..."

Well, what can I say.... 45 years of street and racing experience-- guess I suddenly became ham fisted beginning with the installation of the Pilot Sports in 2001 and (thankfully) it ended in 2003 when I replaced them with plain old Diablo's. And, that was my complaint, they warmed up slowly and cooled down at every stop sign. Cold or even cool weather riding was like ice racing.

Concerning the 190's -- I cannot find the "old" Diablo Corsa's in the 190 (I am sure they are out there, laying on someones shelf). And, what you said about the 180 is true but-- the RC51 came with 190's, I no longer have the willingness (to put it politely) to ride at the limit of even a 180 series tire. When I do track days now, I generally ride at 7-8 tenths (which is equal to 5-6 tenths when I was younger) unless I accidently screw up. Then the bike does the ten tenths and I just crap myself and keep repeating: "Low side is better than high side, low side is better than high side". Also, the 180 will give me (effectively) taller gearing and the stock gearing is already too tall for the track. It would probably make the speedo more accurate. I like the fatter look also, cause it impresses all the young ladies. So, it's one of those, "makes no sense but I want to do it anyway" deals and, like I said, it wouldn't make a difference either way.
That said, anyone have any experience with both the Michelin 2 Ct and the Pirelli Corsa iii's? I don't want to put race compound tires on a bike that will spend 80% of it's time on the street.

[zx7rking]

So....

Did you get it (or them :) ) back together? Hope to see you out there.
Nope. Ive been swamped with work and home life..and just dont have the desire to fool with either of them, I got the parts for the 10 (except one piece of plastic) The 7 is about 80% back together I guess I could get it done by next weekend, but I know I wont. I still need to get me a helmet too. (since I havent replaced the one I crashed in) I still might show up. Bout 75% sure that I'll be there at least one day that weekend taking pics. (i've already talk to Kenny about it) Just call me lazy...:2peace2:

[Lizard 1]

"If a tire steps out on you, it isn't because it sucks - it's because you ham fist the throttle before the temps are where they need to be... Also, the Pilot Sports are nothing like the CTs. I cannot give you any feedback on CTs as they are a track day tire or aggressive street tire, but the Pilot Races are excellent and beyond what average riders can push beyond. Pretty much any race compound tire from Dunlop, Michelin, or Pirelli are going to be excellent choices..."

Well, what can I say.... 45 years of street and racing experience-- guess I suddenly became ham fisted beginning with the installation of the Pilot Sports in 2001 and (thankfully) it ended in 2003 when I replaced them with plain old Diablo's. And, that was my complaint, they warmed up slowly and cooled down at every stop sign. Cold or even cool weather riding was like ice racing.

Concerning the 190's -- I cannot find the "old" Diablo Corsa's in the 190 (I am sure they are out there, laying on someones shelf). And, what you said about the 180 is true but-- the RC51 came with 190's, I no longer have the willingness (to put it politely) to ride at the limit of even a 180 series tire. When I do track days now, I generally ride at 7-8 tenths (which is equal to 5-6 tenths when I was younger) unless I accidently screw up. Then the bike does the ten tenths and I just crap myself and keep repeating: "Low side is better than high side, low side is better than high side". Also, the 180 will give me (effectively) taller gearing and the stock gearing is already too tall for the track. It would probably make the speedo more accurate. I like the fatter look also, cause it impresses all the young ladies. So, it's one of those, "makes no sense but I want to do it anyway" deals and, like I said, it wouldn't make a difference either way.
That said, anyone have any experience with both the Michelin 2 Ct and the Pirelli Corsa iii's? I don't want to put race compound tires on a bike that will spend 80% of it's time on the street.

Didn't know the bike. Too many guys think going from the 180 on their 600 to a 190 is a great thing to do since the factory racers do and top club guys....

Yes, if your bike came with a 190, get a 190. The Diablo 3s are the replacement and you will be hard pressed to find the older ones... If you'd go to a 180, you are doing a bad thing...

Not saying you are a novice rider. If you've been racing for over 45 years, you know (or should) how to ride a bike. It just sounded as if you were attributing the 180 (which you didn't have) to teh issue. I am too used to these kids thinking the tire is what holds them back.

I sorta jumped the gun. My apologies...

[In The Blood]

Well get to work on that 10 Bryan. We'll try and keep it in check this time. Mine will be ready by then. Just waiting on body paint and tires.

[serpentracer]

I just might have to come up and put the new video camera to good use.

[EvilTwin]

I sorta jumped the gun. My apologies...


:eek: Wow, must have been one cold day in Hell!!!

[Lizard 1]

:eek: Wow, must have been one cold day in Hell!!!


Not sure what you mean as simply put, I didn't know he was referring to an RVT1000. If he had mentioned it, I wouldn't have even bothered to chime in...

I apologize after hearing what bike he was on...

[RJH_5150]

You know I am always available to lend a wrenching hand. I would hate for you to go a whole season without riding. Especially with 3 bikes in the garage. :) See you next weekend. :thumbsup


Nope. Ive been swamped with work and home life..and just dont have the desire to fool with either of them, I got the parts for the 10 (except one piece of plastic) The 7 is about 80% back together I guess I could get it done by next weekend, but I know I wont. I still need to get me a helmet too. (since I havent replaced the one I crashed in) I still might show up. Bout 75% sure that I'll be there at least one day that weekend taking pics. (i've already talk to Kenny about it) Just call me lazy...:2peace2:

[In The Blood]

Saturday forecast is partly cloudy - High 65 Low 50 and a ninety percent chance of good riding weather.

[ipassedu2]

Well i hope we can all meet at the track day! I will be with allot of people and we will have a big pit area together. Who is in what class??

I will be intermediate sat and hopefully expert Sunday.

[In The Blood]

Expert class Saturday and Sunday.

[esimpson #126]

Expert Saturday and Sunday.

Eric

[zx7rking]

You know I am always available to lend a wrenching hand. I would hate for you to go a whole season without riding. Especially with 3 bikes in the garage. :) See you next weekend. :thumbsup
Thanks Rob :thumbsup I wont go the whole season without riding. Im sure I'll get one or two track days in. Wife is talkin bout doin a track day. We'll see about that. As for the Street...Honestly I'd much rather go ride my Mountain bike..LOL

[chrisOH]

I am scheduled to ride Expert but Kenny emailed me yesterday and looks like I may get to Control ride. So I will be bringing the Street 1k to play on in the beginner group...

[shakenbake]

I'll be there all weekend. Control riding on the Motard, along with the normal group of Window Lickers I control ride with:thumbsup

[chrisOH]

Hey, do you like the tast of Windex as much as me????

[WOZERD]

accepted!

"If you've been racing for over 45 years, you know (or should) how to ride a bike".

Let's not go that far!

[ipassedu2]

Chris i will have some friends that need help learning the track and just track riding in general can you help? Also i would love for one of you to take me out on a high speed run and tell me what i'm doing wrong. Is that what the controll riders are for?

[In The Blood]

The control riders for Cycle Options are basically used for keeping everyone in check, keeping large groups from forming, stupidity control, and helping pace the beginners.
That being said, there will be plenty of riders to help out in any way possible and yes you can normally get one of the control riders to help out with lines, form, etc. The control riders are a great group of guys. For that matter, everyone I've run into through Cycle Options have been a pleasure to deal with.

[chrisOH]

Yeah B. I will also be running some in the advance group for some flyers. I will be more then glad to help anyone who needs it.

[Lizard 1]

Guys, look up Reuben Frankenfield out there. He'll be a little rusty like I was at Fasttrax, but he's the only guy to ever beat the lap record holder at Putnam. He goes kinda quick...

He'll be on a 2006 ZX6R. Kawi Green and number 35...

[WOZERD]

Well, new tires are on their way -- I went with the Diablo Corsa III. I figure, confidence is 90% of the deal because-- as Lizard says-- There isn't much difference between any of the upper echelon brands and, I won't be demanding much anyway. It's just, for me, I don't want to be wondering about my tires when I have so many other things to actually worry about!
So, if they get here on time-- I'll be there!

[shakenbake]

Hey, do you like the tast of Windex as much as me????

I said the normal group not the "Abnormal group":p

BTW, any new control rider has to buy diner for the other control riders at Old Topper and then sing any song of our choice at the Karreoke bar. Rules are rules:jamout

[chrisOH]

How bout I bring lots of beer and get you all drunk so you all sing for me...

[shakenbake]

Guys, look up Reuben Frankenfield out there. He'll be a little rusty ..



Yeah, rusty... I'm sure his slowest time will smoke any of my fastest times ever........Yeah, he goes kinda quick, just a little bit of an understatement;)

[In The Blood]

Mental note taken "do not try and follow #35 into any corners".

[Lizard 1]

Yeah, rusty... I'm sure his slowest time will smoke any of my fastest times ever........Yeah, he goes kinda quick, just a little bit of an understatement;)


Ah.... He's old.:D

I think his slowest time at Putnam was a low :10... I was lucky to hit a high :11 when I finished 3rd behind him and Mark...

That was 2003, though. I think he'd be easily into :13s since the track is fairly green still and he's rusty. Well, rusty in a fast guy kinda way.:#1

He's a great guy, though. He'd be a great asset in getting a few tips to sort Putnam out.

by the way, you gonna be in Cincinnati this week? I might hand off a few sunglasses to you if you could give them to him. If you can...

[shakenbake]

10's, That's some Funny chit right there.... I can get into the very high 16's if I'm real lucky and scare the crap out of myself:eek:

Yeah, he's old.....So is Duhamel, Batey, Maldin, You, and a whole chit load of other old guys who could smoke my arse any day of the week.

I'll be in town for the next 4 weeks, other than the weekends I'm at the track.
You'll have to come to me though, I'm in training classes the whole time. So call me and I'll tell ya where to meet me at, Lunch time would be best or after 3:30

[ped]

^^ boy you all are slow ..sheesh. :eek:

[H a m m e r]

I will be there as well and needing some help.

I have been through the rulebook for WERA and Fastrax several times and I think/hope i have everything right on the bike, but would like for someone to give the bike a good "Tech Inspection" before the real one. So anyone that knows the rules better than I just look me up at the track.

Thanks
Randy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Hammer954/GSXR600001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Hammer954/GSXR600002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Hammer954/GSXR600004.jpg

[WOZERD]

Well, looks like the "stickys" are all in the right place!
BTW (and the only reasopn I ask is-- I got asked the same question by an "old, crusty"--very fast guy once) How much those folks paying you to advertise for them?

made me think!

[Lizard 1]

I will be there as well and needing some help.

I have been through the rulebook for WERA and Fastrax several times and I think/hope i have everything right on the bike, but would like for someone to give the bike a good "Tech Inspection" before the real one. So anyone that knows the rules better than I just look me up at the track.

Thanks
Randy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Hammer954/GSXR600001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Hammer954/GSXR600002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Hammer954/GSXR600004.jpg

I see someone knows Reuben, aslo. I'll tell him I am not the only one running Sportbike Center stickers!!:p

[Lizard 1]

Well, looks like the "stickys" are all in the right place!
BTW (and the only reasopn I ask is-- I got asked the same question by an "old, crusty"--very fast guy once) How much those folks paying you to advertise for them?

made me think!

Outside his Bel-Ray, Guts and Yosh Duplex stickers, he's got what he needs.

For WERA, you need stickers for contingency payouts, as well. Galfer, LP, and Dunlop pay out money to top finishers... Sure, they may not be paying anything, but you can earn money and that is why you need them.

As far as the Sportbike Center sticker, I suspect it is a thanks for the help in setting his bike up or something...

Paying to advertise as you say is something that is not very common. Unless you are a top level racer in the WERA Nationals or AMA... Free product is like getting paid so, that is sometimes a deal, but getting actual cash is only for an elite few... Corporate wise...

[matd]

A couple stickers are crooked. This lack of detail lets the tech inspector know that they need to pay extra attention to the HAMMER. Upon further scrutiny, I bet they find a bubble. You will be the laughing stock of tech inspection.

Otherwise, nice bike.

[RJH_5150]

HAMMER, ipassedu2, definitely look up the control riders. That goes for anyone who has questions or who like some one on one help on the track. That is what we are there for. Dean will identify us during the riders meeting and show you where we are pitted so you can find us. :thumbsup

[H a m m e r]

Well, looks like the "stickys" are all in the right place!
BTW (and the only reasopn I ask is-- I got asked the same question by an "old, crusty"--very fast guy once) How much those folks paying you to advertise for them?

made me think!

I do not advertise for free. Being a Novice you take what you can get to help out, and if a running a sticker for someone gets me a discount by all means I will run them. Some of the stickers are coming off of there, just have not had time to do it, yet.

I see someone knows Reuben, aslo. I'll tell him I am not the only one running Sportbike Center stickers!!:p

Yes we have met. I had his old body work on there last year, I think it was something that got run over by a tri-axle dump truck though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Hammer954/GSXR%20600/Dscn1268.jpg


Outside his Bel-Ray, Guts and Yosh Duplex stickers, he's got what he needs.

For WERA, you need stickers for contingency payouts, as well. Galfer, LP, and Dunlop pay out money to top finishers... Sure, they may not be paying anything, but you can earn money and that is why you need them.

As far as the Sportbike Center sticker, I suspect it is a thanks for the help in setting his bike up or something...

Paying to advertise as you say is something that is not very common. Unless you are a top level racer in the WERA Nationals or AMA... Free product is like getting paid so, that is sometimes a deal, but getting actual cash is only for an elite few... Corporate wise...

+1
Some of the stickers are from the previous owner of the bodywork, he was running WERA as an expert and he had alot of stickers on there that were not needed.

A couple stickers are crooked. This lack of detail lets the tech inspector know that they need to pay extra attention to the HAMMER. Upon further scrutiny, I bet they find a bubble. You will be the laughing stock of tech inspection.

Otherwise, nice bike.

They will not be laughing long.

HAMMER, ipassedu2, definitely look up the control riders. That goes for anyone who has questions or who like some one on one help on the track. That is what we are there for. Dean will identify us during the riders meeting and show you where we are pitted so you can find us. :thumbsup

Will do, thanks.

If you need some info, let me know. I am local to the track, 45 minutes.

[ipassedu2]

I just got an easy up canopy today! I will have a banner on it that says our groups name. Its Assfault Junkies so if you see a white easy up with that name on it please come over and talk with us. I am so ready!!!!!!!

[Lizard 1]

Yes we have met. I had his old body work on there last year, I think it was something that got run over by a tri-axle dump truck though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Hammer954/GSXR%20600/Dscn1268.jpg


Yeah, he has on occassion done a bit of bodywork "adjustments" while racing... You ought to see the stuff I got from him before.:eek:

All in all, though, Reuben's a great guy. He's always willing to help out. He's been a damn great friend over the years and maybe it is how he is towards me and other friends, but I would hope he is the same way with others.

[Lizard 1]

Yes we have met. I had his old body work on there last year, I think it was something that got run over by a tri-axle dump truck though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Hammer954/GSXR%20600/Dscn1268.jpg


Oh, yeah... You don't happen to still have a blue tank that matches that color you have in the picture, do you? If so, I am looking for one.

[WOZERD]

Hammer-- Don't let me influence you. The bike looks sharp! I was sitting here thinking about it and remembered how his comment took the wind out of my sails. Bummed me out. All the time and effort I put into my "masterpiece" and he blew it away with one comment.
Waiting on my tires-- going to be a scramble-- hope to see you there!

[chrisOH]

Hey Rob, you going to pit on cold pit? If so I will come down as well.

[A4est]

I plan to show on Sunday. Can't make Sat. See you there!:yummy

[In The Blood]

I'll look for you Sunday Andy. You bringing the FZ or WR?

[A4est]

I'm hoping to bring both. But the FZ for sure.:yingyang:

[WOZERD]

Wel, it's 12:25pm on Thursday-- no tires yet but, they should be here any time now. Things don't look good by the time I get them mounted-- scuffed in a little.
And, it seems, I am back to where I started.

Does anyone do track days other than Cycle Options/Putnam? If I can't make this weekend, I am looking at next weekend with NESBA. I would like to do Mid Ohio. I would like to do Grattan. I sure would like to try the country club track north of Chicago. I think I can afford 4 track days this year but, I feel it is stupid of me to do it alone. One slight get off-- broken arm or leg and I'm screwed!
Anyone else in the same boat?

[chrisOH]

Yes Sport Bike Tracktime does them as well at putnam.

[WOZERD]

Chris, it appears you race, I would love to do that (again) but the reality is $$ and age. What I'm hoping to find out is-- anyone do track days that I could join up with.

[In The Blood]

Wozerd, any reason you just don't scuff em it at the track? Supposed to be a dry weekend.

[chrisOH]

Yes Sport Bike Track time is a track day organization. They are who I do most of my trackdays at Putnam. www.sportbiketracktim.com Check them out.

They actually do the operations side of the Trackdays at Mid OH.

[chrisOH]

I scuff tires in all the time at the track. Just need to work up lean angles gradually and only brake vertical as the tires scrub in and get up to temp.

I will be scrubbing in my new set of race tires in at the track.

[ipassedu2]

I know what stuffing basically means,but what is the actual meaning of it? Examples? I think it means passing on the inside by pushing another rider out of their path. What i want to know is if i a pass on the inside and slow someones exit speed down is that stuffing????

[chrisOH]

Stuffing I would consider making the pass where you just start to pull up on the inside once past the Turn in point.

Say two bikes turn in at the same point then the 2nd rider begins to make pass from there. So in other words the rider on the outside does not know the rider is there on the inside once he/she begins turning into the corner.

I would say that once past apex then an inside pass would be considered passed on the drive out.

[chrisOH]

Team Pro Motion has good rules that state if you can pull up along side a rider before the turn in cone they setup and then make the inside pass they do not consider that a illegal pass even in the Intermediate group. And is a good courteous method that most advanced group adhere too.

So it allows riders who have that run and are along side another rider to finish the pass and the guy on the outside should give room for the rider to make the pass.

[ipassedu2]

Thanks! I dont want to do anything wrong so i needed to know what riders consider being stuffed.

[H a m m e r]

Yeah, he has on occassion done a bit of bodywork "adjustments" while racing... You ought to see the stuff I got from him before.:eek:

All in all, though, Reuben's a great guy. He's always willing to help out. He's been a damn great friend over the years and maybe it is how he is towards me and other friends, but I would hope he is the same way with others.

He is a good guy from what I know. If you talk to enough people about anybody you will find one or two that do not like someone but it is how you are treated by an individual that counts.

Oh, yeah... You don't happen to still have a blue tank that matches that color you have in the picture, do you? If so, I am looking for one.

Nope, the blue one is the yellow one in the pic. I just stripped it and repainted it in the garage.

Hammer-- Don't let me influence you. The bike looks sharp! I was sitting here thinking about it and remembered how his comment took the wind out of my sails. Bummed me out. All the time and effort I put into my "masterpiece" and he blew it away with one comment.
Waiting on my tires-- going to be a scramble-- hope to see you there!

No problem, I do not scare easy and I have thick skin.





Does anyone do track days other than Cycle Options/Putnam? If I can't make this weekend, I am looking at next weekend with NESBA. I would like to do Mid Ohio. I would like to do Grattan. I sure would like to try the country club track north of Chicago. I think I can afford 4 track days this year but, I feel it is stupid of me to do it alone. One slight get off-- broken arm or leg and I'm screwed!
Anyone else in the same boat?

http://www.desmoindiana.org/

http://www.curvechasers.com/

[chrisOH]

At a track day if you think it might be to late to pass then it is. Basically for a trackday if you can't make it even with them before turn in then I would say it is too late.

[shakenbake]

I know what stuffing basically means,but what is the actual meaning of it? Examples? I think it means passing on the inside by pushing another rider out of their path. What i want to know is if i a pass on the inside and slow someones exit speed down is that stuffing????


Stuffing is for Turkeys, Not Trackdays!!


General rule, When going into a corner, whoevers front wheel is in front, the corner is his/hers.

Remember, This is a trackday, not a race day. There is ZERO need to "Stuff" your bike up the inside or to cut across someones front wheel to make them "Check-up".

If someone is killing you on the straights but holding you up in the turns, come in thru pit lane and then head back out. That way you will get seperated from whoever is holding up you.

The only way you "WIN" at a trackday is to have fun and not wad your or someone elses stuff up. You do not what to be "That Guy"

[matd]

Stuffing is for Turkeys, Not Trackdays!!


General rule, When going into a corner, whoevers front wheel is in front, the corner is his/hers.



That sounds more like my daily commute to work.

[Kanatuna]

That sounds more like my daily commute to work.

No doubt....


I will be there on sat. I think...Maybe sunday. No money for the actual track day but I will be helping out in the pits and drinking some coffee....talking some crap and keeping the seats warm. What on earth would the Junkies do without me...?:cheers:

[chrisOH]

Unless Mike keeps cutting you off with is Motard into Turn 5, then it is ok to pass him on the straight and flip him off on the way by....:D

[Lizard 1]

Chris, it appears you race, I would love to do that (again) but the reality is $$ and age. What I'm hoping to find out is-- anyone do track days that I could join up with.

Look me up. I'll be instructing at Mid-Ohio for a good number of their events. If you need anything or whatever, I am only like 15 minutes away from teh track...

[EvilTwin]

Thanks! I dont want to do anything wrong so i needed to know what riders consider being stuffed.


Just think of all the riders on the track as your family. You don't want anybody to get hurt, or their bikes damaged. Act accordingly, and then you won't need to know what stuffing is considered to be - after all, you wouldn't stuff your dear old granny going into turn one.

I try to go around the outside first. Patience is key, remember, you have all day to have fun. If you feel you have to force a pass, you are not quick enough to make a SAFE pass. As said before, ride through the pitts, put some distance between the bikes, problem solved. Next session start ahead of that guy - no more passing problems.

Looking forward to seeing you all at Putnam
:cheers:

[RJH_5150]

You are going to be joansen to get out there. :D

Make sure you stop by and say hi.


No doubt....


I will be there on sat. I think...Maybe sunday. No money for the actual track day but I will be helping out in the pits and drinking some coffee....talking some crap and keeping the seats warm. What on earth would the Junkies do without me...?:cheers:

[RJH_5150]

I am sure everyone has check the weather 50 times this week like myself but WOW! It's going to be absolutely perfect for us. See you all there! :thumbsup

[ipassedu2]

leaving in 4 hours!!!!! Weather looks good and i cant wait! Remember to look for us at the Assfault Junkie canopy and say hello.

[In The Blood]

Rob, you know I'm joansen to get back out there and get my fix.

[shakenbake]

Rob, you know I'm joansen to get back out there and get my fix.


Just so you and Rob know......It is actually spelled "Jonesing", I think "joansen" is how they spell it France :doh:

[In The Blood]

What are you sayin Mike, we have French on the brain?:no: I know nuthing'!