Putnam sept 27/28

[ipassedu2]

Since the 22nd didnt work out we are shooting for this weekend. $235 for 2 days if registered by sept 1st
The assfault Junkies will be attending the Cycle options track weekend Sept 27/28.

[A4est]

I'm seriously considering it!
I figure I can get in one more track day this year.
Just trying to decide if I'm going to Putnum or down south.
Like Barber or Jennings. :yingyang:

[vera]

ipassedu2, clean you PM inbox!

[ipassedu2]

done. Go ahead and send away!

[RJH_5150]

That sucks that your 22nd date fell through and it is very cool that you are helping to promote Cycle Option’s track day. The 2 days they rent the track is always a good time. But, (not to be a stiff or anything) are Kenny and Dean cool with your site "associating" with their track day? No offence but wouldn't it be easier to go straight to http://www.cycleoptions.com and sign up? I am not trying to start any shit or anything. I just want to make sure both parties are happy with each other come Saturday morning. See you there! :thumbsup

[ipassedu2]

I called and talked to kenny and he said it was cool. He wants me to get as many people as i can and i'm going to hand deliver the cash and list to him at his house. I'm just trying to get people to pay me so i can give kenny cash and avaid the paypall fees and hassle. Kenny ha never had any problem selling out his days,but i want to get everyone i know to the track so thats why i'm doing this. All the street riders will benifit from track time and i'm tired of seeing friends and fellow riders get hurt on the streets! Plus 10 and 22 could use a break lol.

[RJH_5150]

Awesome! I have seen quite a few crashes in my time as well. You are a good man. Don't for get to stop by the Cloverdale RV Park Saturday night. Always a good time. :beer

[ipassedu2]

Thats what Kenny said. We will deff be camping there. Putnam again! My camera didnt work right so the video didnt work. I have some rear footage i am going to make.

[Hyflyer]

What do you need to do a track day? Special training? race license?

[ipassedu2]

You just need a bike. Leathers,boots,full gloves and a safe helmet. Just tape your bike a little and Pay the fees your in!

[vera]

You just need a bike. Leathers,boots,full gloves and a safe helmet. Just tape your bike a little and Pay the fees your in!

don't forget that everyone should make sure there is enough rubber left on their tires!

[RJH_5150]

What do you need to do a track day? Special training? race license?

Here is the information for bike prep.

http://www.cycleoptions.com/safety.html

There are 3 different groups, Street, Intermediate and Advanced. Street is basically for people who have never been on a track before and/or have no desire to go any faster. Intermediate is for people who are not quite ready for the advanced group but are too fast for the street folks. Advanced are usually licensed racers and/or people who have been to the track before and have proven they can run the lap times that are safe for that group. :cheers:

[Hyflyer]

hmmmmmmmm, I'm gettin more interested

are there folks there to show ya stuff, critique riding, etc?? or just folks out riding having fun?

[ipassedu2]

Yea they have people called controll riders to help you if u need it. Normally u will have to ask them in the morning so they know to look for you. They will be wearing orange shirts to show they are there to help.

[Hyflyer]

.....Normally u will have to ask them in the morning so they know to look for you.......


So just tell em somethin like........

"I'll be the one on the vstrom goin around the sport-bikes" ?:spanked


(just kiddin ........ never been on a track before)

[RJH_5150]

Definitely. Just grab one of us. We will be happy to help. Looks like the control riders are Jim Lawson, Chris Nicoloff, Chris Gill and Myself. We usually park on cold pit so you can find us easier.

[serpentracer]

So just tell em somethin like........

"I'll be the one on the vstrom goin around the sport-bikes" ?:spanked


(just kiddin ........ never been on a track before)

should've kept that R6:Pest: :D

guys, is it possible to just do one day? I really don't want to do both. (ok I do, but I don't really want to spend the money)

[ipassedu2]

yep! Its $135 befor sept 1st

[vera]

should've kept that R6:Pest: :D

guys, is it possible to just do one day? I really don't want to do both. (ok I do, but I don't really want to spend the money)

Which day are you thinking of going? I am exploring my options right now and like you I would only be able to do one day.

[serpentracer]

vera, I prefere to go on a sat. it's too much of a rush for me on a sunday.
I end up getting home around 8-9 pm. by time I get everything unloaded and showered up and hitting the sack it's 10-10:30pm. I have to get up by 5am. then I'm too tired to work.

I think I'm in for Sat. I need to straighten something out at work with my health insurance first. we are changing plans, so I want to make sure I'm going to be covered on that date.

[vera]

vera, I prefere to go on a sat. it's too much of a rush for me on a sunday.
I end up getting home around 8-9 pm. by time I get everything unloaded and showered up and hitting the sack it's 10-10:30pm. I have to get up by 5am. then I'm too tired to work.



I hear you, Randy. Same here!

I hope the health insurance will work out for you! Good luck on that one.

[RENCRN8]

I am pretty sure I will be there on Saturday, but Sunday is a maybe also. I think a buddy and his 1098 will also be there on Saturday. And it is very possible JP may have a toy to show off that weekend also....but I will let him say or not.

[Fast Eddie]

I'd love to go. Kenny and Dean always put on a good track day. If it wasn't for Rob trying to make me go faster :spanked . I'll be returning from Utah that weekend so you guys have fun.

[Sherpadude]

This may be the weekend I actually mount up on the D675 with full leathers! :eek:

Jeff

[RJH_5150]

Why not bring the Duc? :Pest: :D

[serpentracer]

OK I'm signed up and paid. doing SAT.:2peace2:

[corey]

Definitely. Just grab one of us. We will be happy to help. Looks like the control riders are Jim Lawson, Chris Nicoloff, Chris Gill and Myself. We usually park on cold pit so you can find us easier.

i have to work saturday, but i might be able to do a one day and attend on sunday??? :what:

[RENCRN8]

Brandon
What does the list look like so far for attendance. I still haven't officially registered, but I will be there on Saturday withe the 999 and possibly a new race bike also. I am excited already!

[ipassedu2]

The list is growing fast! I bet it will sell out due to all the people that want to go. I would pay asap!

[RENCRN8]

The list is growing fast! I bet it will sell out due to all the people that want to go. I would pay asap!

I am registered and paid for Saturday!

[ipassedu2]

hell yea! We all have to make a point to pit together. It will be cool to be able to make one giant ezup hallway that we all can use. lol

[ipassedu2]

by the way here is my new cam setup from last time at putnam. It will be perfected for sept.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLz_oxtexxg

[shakenbake]

Yea they have people called controll riders to help you if u need it. Normally u will have to ask them in the morning so they know to look for you. They will be wearing orange shirts to show they are there to help.


Actually, We wear Green Shirts.:cheers:

[A4est]

I just registered for both!
Woo Hoo! :cheers:

[RENCRN8]

I just registered for both!
Woo Hoo! :cheers:

Whore!:smash:

[ipassedu2]

Hell yea andy! Did you pay already? I will hand deliver your cash!

[bprodoehl]

I'm in for both days.. Rob, what are the camping plans?:smash:

[serpentracer]

who ever has the slowest lap time has to buy everyone else lunch....

[A4est]

Hell yea andy! Did you pay already? I will hand deliver your cash!

No, you still have my #?

[shakenbake]

I'm in for both days.. Rob, what are the camping plans?:smash:


Uhmmm, Did Hell just freeze over????

See ya there Buffy.

I'll be the one in the splint, not riding.:cry

[ipassedu2]

we have 14 people going! Any one else want to join us? Deadline is this wed the 20th!

[ped]

i guess ill go.

[ipassedu2]

u better ped! Get with me!

[bprodoehl]

Uhmmm, Did Hell just freeze over????

See ya there Buffy.

I'll be the one in the splint, not riding.:cry

I was at the curve chasers day on the 3rd too... Where were you? I am pretty sure that after our combined golds in the Nelson Ledges Olympic Long Jump and Tire Throw events yu still owe me a weekend of pit-bitch duties, Or at least a cold beverage.

[WOZERD]

What do you need to do a track day? Special training? race license?

The suit doesn't have to be leather-- an Aerostitch style suit is OK too. I'm wearing my funky azz yellow and black Joe Rocket Razor cordura suit. It does have to be one piece or with a 360' zipper.
I am working and scrimping feverishly to get the CB450 ready. I (and most others here) can give you all the info/help you'll need. A back protector is a really good idea (think MANDATORY). Street class is the place to start-- drawback is, your pretty much on your own. But-- like I said, any of us will answer your questions and play "instructor". However-- YOU will be fine!! You will be faster than most, just try to keep from running into them!

My question to everyone else: This CB450 will only do about 110 top end-- don't wanna get run over like Evil Twin did (not because he was going slow).
I think I will be as fast-- or faster than most street riders in the corners-- it's the straights I'm worried about.

Any experience on a slow bike-- suggestions?

[ped]

yeah stay wot through t1 and let others do the work of passing.

[WOZERD]

yeah stay wot through t1 and let others do the work of passing.

WOT??

IF the bike does actually top out-- I ain't doin WOT -- hecky darn! I slowed to about 85 on the RC!! And it actually had a suspension and tires!!
I will have changed the oil and possibly shimmed the springs in the forks but, doubt I will have the new WP shocks on by then. Right now, it's a friggin pogo stick!!

Anybody know where I can get one of the Amish "SLOW MOVING VEHICLE" placards??

[ped]

i thought you ran 18's? hell im going 100 through it running 24's and i know about pogo sticks. :Pest: seriously though no one should have a problem getting around you so i wouldnt worry about it. your problem might be trying to get around corner campers.

[svguy]

My SV only did about 110-120ish and I didn't do too badly at putnam. You just have to stay to one side so everyone else can pass in the straight.

[RENCRN8]

My SV only did about 110-120ish and I didn't do too badly at putnam. You just have to stay to one side so everyone else can pass in the straight.

You gonna bring the RC out and play? I love me some big twins!

[jparker]

My SV only did about 110-120ish and I didn't do too badly at putnam. You just have to stay to one side so everyone else can pass in the straight.

Hmmm. Kinda figures into my decision making eh Nic?!

[svguy]

You gonna bring the RC out and play? I love me some big twins!

Oh ya! I can't wait to finally be able to open it up! Only problem will be trying to keep WOZERD from stealin' it back!

[WOZERD]

i thought you ran 18's? hell im going 100 through it running 24's and i know about pogo sticks. :Pest: seriously though no one should have a problem getting around you so i wouldnt worry about it. your problem might be trying to get around corner campers.


If I said 18's I was ;ying (I have been known to "fudge it") I was running 1:22 on a cool and often damp track.
That said, maybe I was going faster, I just remember seeing 80 something-- but that might have been at the turn in for the second apex of turn one-- is that turn 2? At Grattan, turn one is a double apex (kinda) and it's all turn one.
Well, looked at it on Google Maps and also turned up an STT advanced class track day vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZB3KPbc8eU

best I can tell, this dude on an R6 was down in the 90's for the apex of one and in the 80's before turing in for 2. And, best I can tell. he is running 1:18 or less!
The three times I remember checking my speedo (just before braking for one, at the apex of one (or entrance to two) and, in Dead Bear, this guy is about the same speeds (149-150, 80's and 60's) as I was.

Here's another vid from YOUTUBE. I would say this is the "less than advanced class" but, very close to what we will see in the Street Class"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU7jUtn7Nz8

should be helpful to those that have never been (I hope)

But-- thanks for the info--

Andy-- bring the RC!! OH PLEASE OH PLEASE!!

[serpentracer]

wozerd, probably the only place you might be in trouble would be the straight.

the guy from Curve chasers suggests slower bikes stay to the far right side of the track on the straight.

here is a video of me doing one lap. I don't know what time I ran in it but my best time that day was only a 1:22.7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flZgIKbYaek

[WOZERD]

wozerd, probably the only place you might be in trouble would be the straight.

the guy from Curve chasers suggests slower bikes stay to the far right side of the track on the straight.

here is a video of me doing one lap. I don't know what time I ran in it but my best time that day was only a 1:22.7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flZgIKbYaek


Great VID and-- you are hauling ass into turn one!
About staying to the right on the straight, that's what they said at C-O also. But, honestly, I would rather be on the outside than the inside going into turn one. Wouldn't you rather pass someone on the inside? If I'm on the inside on the straight, I have to move more to the outside to hit my turn in. I might be taking someones line away. I don't want to T bone anyone or have my front wheel yanked knocked out from under me. I'd much rather be on the outside, take my line and let someone faster come under me or outside me without me having to move.
I'm sure you have been coming up on someone going slow and, just as you set your line, they move right into it. I don't want to be that person.
But that's just me.

Opinions from other -- more experienced riders/racers??

[vera]

we have 14 people going! Any one else want to join us? Deadline is this wed the 20th!

I am still working on logistics for that weekend. I may end up paying full price - I can't commit yet for sure. :mad:

[svguy]

Andy-- bring the RC!! OH PLEASE OH PLEASE!!

I've already paid! It'll be there but in race style bodywork. So you'll be able to hear the RC howl once again!

[schaibaa]

Only problem I've seen with riding the right is that if you swing out to make the corner, that can cause some problems - also you're gonna be corner camping if you are riding the inside too tight.

I dunno, seems better if you just ride the race line and allow people to pass where they want.

[WOZERD]

Only problem I've seen with riding the right is that if you swing out to make the corner, that can cause some problems - also you're gonna be corner camping if you are riding the inside too tight.

I dunno, seems better if you just ride the race line and allow people to pass where they want.


Thanks for making my mumbling clear!

or-- to put it another way--

what he said!

[schaibaa]

What class do you plan to ride in? You seem pretty quick - most intermediates aren't going to be running as fast as that video ..

Judging by the increased marketing of this track day, I have a bad feeling intermediate is going to be kind of packed with people who think they belong in intermediate, but really belong in novice.. we'll see I guess. That said, you'll probably be doing better than average on the corners, and while it's a really fast track, The highest I see on a video of a B rider is 145 indicated, so maybe 130.. and it looks like he's on a liter.

Also, I have a half worn out set of Bridgestone BT016's (120/70 - 180/55). They have 1800 miles on them, and would do pretty good for novice.. PM me

[WOZERD]

"What class do you plan to ride in? You seem pretty quick - most intermediates aren't going to be running as fast as that video .. "

you talkin' to ME??:)

If you are-- I'm running my old drum braked CB450-- trying to get a feel for it in hopes of running AHRMA in 09.
I'll be in the street class (scares me!)

No-- I'm not really fast at all. (BTW that's not ME in the video) I ran with a control rider (I think his name was Brian) on an R6-- initially, he was trying to get me to "lead with my chin" and we kept swapping back and forth while he would demonstrate then watch me. We just kept going faster and faster and finally, we were running each other pretty hard.
He got his butt reamed, I was told I had to move to at least the intermediate level (they made me give back the street class zip tie and gave me the intermediate colored one). Later he said we were down in the 1:22's.

I was talking about 07 (or was it 06) before I had my stroke, (those two years I have a really hard time remembering stuff) on my RC51.

[ped]

Judging by the increased marketing of this track day, I have a bad feeling intermediate is going to be kind of packed with people who think they belong in intermediate, but really belong in novice.. we'll see I guess.

i'll put money on it being the A group, seeing as how ill be running in it and all. btw and no offense to serpentracer but he's going fairly slow through 1. thats where i can actually make up all the time he pulled on me through the straights. well there and turn 5. but it may be more of a braking issue.

[serpentracer]

btw and no offense to serpentracer but he's going fairly slow through 1. but it may be more of a braking issue.

I have a stomach problem, NO GUTS:D

[shakenbake]

I was at the curve chasers day on the 3rd too... Where were you? I am pretty sure that after our combined golds in the Nelson Ledges Olympic Long Jump and Tire Throw events yu still owe me a weekend of pit-bitch duties, Or at least a cold beverage.

I'm sure you've heard. I destoryed my wrist on May 1st. I will not be able to ride until next season (if I'm lucky)

But, Cold beer and Pit Beotching I can handle.:cheers:

[shakenbake]

My question to everyone else: This CB450 will only do about 110 top end-- don't wanna get run over like Evil Twin did (not because he was going slow).
I think I will be as fast-- or faster than most street riders in the corners-- it's the straights I'm worried about.

Any experience on a slow bike-- suggestions?


You will be fine. I ride a 450 motard there all the time.
As others have said, when you come out of turn 10 just stay to the right on the front straight. And don't worry about Turn one. Everyone brakes waaaaaay to early for T1. So you will just pass all those guys while they are braking, cuz you still be on the gas.

A small CC bike is more fun sometimes. I've made many 600's look stupid at Putnam on the Motard. Come on out you will be fine and have fun.

[RJH_5150]

Not to spoil any fun but you guys need to be careful looking at your speedometer. Turn one comes up awfully fast. Especially when you are not looking through your turn. There is also the risk of coming up onto a slower rider when you go over the hump. The numbers are wrong anyway so you might as well tape over it and save us some clean up time in turn 1. :thumbsup

[serpentracer]

I have learned to ignore everything but the track.
I even shift by sound and feel.

[A4est]

My bike goes through turn 1 in 5th gear. Not sure how fast that is, but I'm sure it is slower than I could.

[WOZERD]

peripheral vison
and a nice big digital display

[slikchik]

I'm in.

It's Rob's fault too. Just ask him....

Can't wait to see y'all. Bringing both bike so that when I wad one on Saturday, I still get my money's worth on Sunday. Anyone getting a hotel?, Hubby won't let us stay at the campground, no cable TV.:cry

Scott, looking foward to being in the street group with you since this is also my first time out at Putnam on a bike. I've done many laps around that track on the crash truck but somehow I don't think the lines are the same...

[chrisOH]

I"ll be there Riding/Coaching :woot

[chrisOH]

Not to spoil any fun but you guys need to be careful looking at your speedometer. Turn one comes up awfully fast. Especially when you are not looking through your turn. There is also the risk of coming up onto a slower rider when you go over the hump. The numbers are wrong anyway so you might as well tape over it and save us some clean up time in turn 1. :thumbsup



I don't do it,, Honest :whistle


Couldn't help it at Nashville though coming over start finish.. :D

[ipassedu2]

it will be great. Cant wait to see you guyst there! I have beaver run with wera next weekend so i hope i still have a bike for putnam lol. I am really going for it this time!

[Lizard 1]

What class do you plan to ride in? You seem pretty quick - most intermediates aren't going to be running as fast as that video ..

Judging by the increased marketing of this track day, I have a bad feeling intermediate is going to be kind of packed with people who think they belong in intermediate, but really belong in novice.. we'll see I guess. That said, you'll probably be doing better than average on the corners, and while it's a really fast track, The highest I see on a video of a B rider is 145 indicated, so maybe 130.. and it looks like he's on a liter.

Also, I have a half worn out set of Bridgestone BT016's (120/70 - 180/55). They have 1800 miles on them, and would do pretty good for novice.. PM me

Intermediate pace would easily be :22s. On the higher end, but you get the idea. Advanced should be :17s and lower... Maybe even as high as :19s.

[ped]

the last i was at putnam the fastest guy out there was running 18's (at least he looked way beyond faster than everyone). i timed him from the stands and i couldnt believe it.

[ipassedu2]

I wish that everyone in expert was running 17's or lower. All the times i have been there this year it was like 20 and under for expert,22-30 intermediate and mass diff in novice. Intermediate is full of all kinds of riders everytime.

[bprodoehl]

Intermediate pace would easily be :22s. On the higher end, but you get the idea. Advanced should be :17s and lower... Maybe even as high as :19s.


Hey Lizard1 welcome Back. Good to hear from you again, Its been a while. You gonna be at Putnam?

[RENCRN8]

And in the spirit of the ducati motivational thread here ya go trackday sceptics!
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b135/RENCRN8/trackdays.jpg

[A4est]

Hey Nick,
What does it mean if some of us do track day's & play golf?

[ped]

I wish that everyone in expert was running 17's or lower. All the times i have been there this year it was like 20 and under for expert,22-30 intermediate and mass diff in novice. Intermediate is full of all kinds of riders everytime.

why should 'I' have to put up with such a wide variety of times though, 8 seconds difference is alot. from what i can tell maybe a couple people are running low teens in A but mostly low twenties, high teens. am i wrong?

[RENCRN8]

Hey Nick,
What does it mean if some of us do track day's & play golf?

Uh....I dont know, guess i need to figure it out though as I fit into that group also....

As far as the lap times go, if they had groups for every time group they could end up with 100 groups(exagerating a little of course). When I ran in the novice last time, I felt as if I was one of the fastest in the group and was lapping people sometimes multiple times in a 20 minute session(this was without shifting except on front straight since my foot was f'd up). Even still I am hesitant to move up to the Intermediate just because I am a fairly new track rider.

So experts, am I better being the fastest guy in Novice or take my chances in the Intermediate? I am thinking Intermediate, but I don't want to be that guy. I guess if I knew what kind of laptimes I was running I could tell better.

Anyways, ultimately what matters is I felt I was safe, predictable, while being relatively fast(for the slow group) and I had a blast....

I cant wait!!!!!!!!!

[ped]

ive rode with you, you def belong in intermediate for your next day.

[chrisOH]

Intermediate pace would easily be :22s. On the higher end, but you get the idea. Advanced should be :17s and lower... Maybe even as high as :19s.

At most Putnam Trackdays running under 1:20 puts you in the top 10 or even 5 (some days I have been there) of advanced.

the fastest intermediats are about a 1:22.

[ipassedu2]

Just to clear up any confusion about this track day and the orginization that runs it I want to make sure that everyone know it is a CYCLE OPTIONS track day and Our group the assfaut junkies will be going. Any questions on how the day will go contact cycle options. I was trying to get as many people to go with us(junkies) as possible and thats where I was wrong in wording the add. Sorry to all who got confused! Cycle options runs a great track day and we will see you there!

[RENCRN8]

ive rode with you, you def belong in intermediate for your next day.

When did we ride together? Damn I have ridden with so many people you don't even realize who they are sometimes, or maybe I am just getting old...

:lrdotcom:

[ped]

i might have been thinking of trafficthread who also has a 999.

[RENCRN8]

i might have been thinking of trafficthread.

yellow or red???

he was yellow, I am red...

None the less we may have ridden together down on 10/22 and not really known it. Who knows....guess we will ride together at Putnam 4 sure though!

[A4est]

Nick,
You are fast enough for intermediate. I would guess you were running around 1:25 to 1:27 on the second half of the day. That would put you mid pack during Cycle Opt's day. But go where you are comfortable! You will be a king in Novice.

[WOZERD]

Hey Nick,
What does it mean if some of us do track day's & play golf?


It means you got too much money and free time you homophobic fencewalker!!:bootyshak

[Kanatuna]

I'm all paid up and signed in. Thanks Brandon. I will be there on Sat....running the old Katana!!!!:fire:

[A4est]

Wozerd,
Keep wishing! You are not getting any play hear! :spanked

[RJH_5150]

Just as a reminder. Early registration ends Monday. :cheers:

[Lizard 1]

Uh....I dont know, guess i need to figure it out though as I fit into that group also....

As far as the lap times go, if they had groups for every time group they could end up with 100 groups(exagerating a little of course). When I ran in the novice last time, I felt as if I was one of the fastest in the group and was lapping people sometimes multiple times in a 20 minute session(this was without shifting except on front straight since my foot was f'd up). Even still I am hesitant to move up to the Intermediate just because I am a fairly new track rider.

So experts, am I better being the fastest guy in Novice or take my chances in the Intermediate? I am thinking Intermediate, but I don't want to be that guy. I guess if I knew what kind of laptimes I was running I could tell better.

Anyways, ultimately what matters is I felt I was safe, predictable, while being relatively fast(for the slow group) and I had a blast....

I cant wait!!!!!!!!!

Move to the "I" group. Just realize that most "I" guys are vast in experience... Meaning, some should be in Novice and some should be in Advanced, but won't take the step. Their skills aren't as advanced and so, judgement is not as good as the advanced guys.

Of course, a guy running in advanced doesn't make him perfect. I would wager that 60-70% of the riders in advanced are really intermediate in ability... If you are in the advanced and really good and solid, you can make your way smartly through traffic. So, better in advanced is a good thing. But seeing most aren't, it can be sketchy, as well. Especially with wrist heroes on their 1000s....

[Lizard 1]

At most Putnam Trackdays running under 1:20 puts you in the top 10 or even 5 (some days I have been there) of advanced.

the fastest intermediats are about a 1:22.

At the end of the year, that's crazy. At the very first Putnam event like FT has or even the first STT event, advanced top ten shouldn't be :20s... sad.

[In The Blood]

Granted, Fastrax isn't a WERA National but only approximately their top nine guys have times in the 1:17's according to MYLAPS.COM for their "Best Times". Taken from 07 May race. But I would say that if you set the benchmark where you'd like to, you would have a packed beginner and intermediate and nobody in advanced. :uhh: You keep on talking about STT, half their "control riders" aren't all that fast at putnam. Keep it real.

[In The Blood]

maybe it's time for a new lap timer. :Pest: or maybe some fresh batteries.

[Lizard 1]

half their "control riders" aren't all that fast at putnam. Keep it real.

Maybe, but at the first Putnam, there were a shit pile of WERA riders on R6s and they were not doing :17s - they were running :15s and better. I know as I was running with a few of them. But, what do I know? I'm just a slow control rider for STT...:rolleyes: And, it wasn't in a race scenerio - as I stated, I think if you go back after set-up and seat time, those times would be faster.

We used to run low:12s, high :11s there fairly easily back in 03. Reueben beat Junge there in 03 at the last event for WERA and they were running :10s. So... I think if there were a group of riders who ran Putnam say, three times a year, at the end, they ought to be faster than the first time. I think running :14s and even faster at a controlled and comfortable pace isn't outside the realm of possibility. Check out the track day the Thursday before Indy and watch guys like Parrish and others run there. I know :17s will be the slowest number on their counters...

[In The Blood]

Tell me you aren't comparing Parrish and the likes to the typical Putnam track day rider. As for WERA riders doing 15's or better, I was just there for curvechasers and the expert WERA guys were not running consistent 15's. Actually the majority of guys in advanced were not running consistent 1:18's unless my lap timer is slow.:rolleyes: It is a track day after all, not a race.

[Lizard 1]

Tell me you aren't comparing Parrish and the likes to the typical Putnam track day rider. As for WERA riders doing 15's or better, I was just there for curvechasers and the expert WERA guys were not running consistent 15's. Actually the majority of guys in advanced were not running consistent 1:18's unless my lap timer is slow.:rolleyes: It is a track day after all, not a race.

You are the one who started throwing out race info and race pace. I simply stated that there were in fact WERA Regionals at the first Putnam event with STT (I know, we control riders are slow...:cool: ) and they were running :15s and :16s...

But, you saying WERA guys were out with you and you were running their pace at :18s and they weren't faster doesn't help much. WERA has a large member base...

The guys I was with were guys like David Grey, Eddie Kraft, etc...

Being a track day means nothing. We run :33s at Mid-Ohio fairly common and it isn't a race day at all. It's well within our limits. Realize that what is 99% for you may be 70% for someone else...

[In The Blood]

So you're going to set the benchmark to a level were the guys that race in the same class as Eddie and David can't ride with them at a track day? :what: Doesn't make much sense to me but I'm not a control rider so what do I know. :rolleyes:

[WOZERD]

One thing about track days-- no matter how fast you are, a lump of slower riders will slow you down and mess up a good lap- at some point, almost every lap..
Listening to you guys, I'm beginning to think the Cycle Options control rider I was running with was B.S'n me when he said we were in the .22's. I thought that was realistic and dang good because-- I was of the impression the really fast guys run .16's - .18's at Putnam

[serpentracer]

Maybe, but at the first Putnam, there were a shit pile of WERA riders on R6s and they were not doing :17s - they were running :15s and better. I know as I was running with a few of them. But, what do I know? I'm just a slow control rider for STT...:rolleyes: And, it wasn't in a race scenerio - as I stated, I think if you go back after set-up and seat time, those times would be faster.

We used to run low:12s, high :11s there fairly easily back in 03. Reueben beat Junge there in 03 at the last event for WERA and they were running :10s. So... I think if there were a group of riders who ran Putnam say, three times a year, at the end, they ought to be faster than the first time. I think running :14s and even faster at a controlled and comfortable pace isn't outside the realm of possibility. Check out the track day the Thursday before Indy and watch guys like Parrish and others run there. I know :17s will be the slowest number on their counters...


big deal. Disalvo ran 10s when he was 12~13 years old. you need to practice.....back marker.

[WOZERD]

Wozerd,
Keep wishing! You are not getting any play hear! :spanked


Well, at least I tried!
(Just not sure what it was I was trying)

[dark6]

I'm in....

[Lizard 1]

big deal. Disalvo ran 10s when he was 12~13 years old. you need to practice.....back marker.

Trust me, I know... I need more than practice, that's for sure. Just hate when no names come a hollering making noise about FT and how fast others aren't...

By the way, Mark Junge holds the record there with an :09 flat.

[In The Blood]

At the end of the year, that's crazy. At the very first Putnam event like FT has or even the first STT event, advanced top ten shouldn't be :20s... sad.

I think you were the one calling people slow. At least that's the way I took it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
And I have a name, it's John. :ssmoker:

[shatteringstar]

I'm in....

me too! :jamout

[ped]

im there too and going to blister the tarmac with my totally cool 24's.

[serpentracer]

im there too and going to blister the tarmac with my totally cool 24's.

this is the internet so, didn't you mean 1:15 almost 1:14?

[shakenbake]

..
Listening to you guys, I'm beginning to think the Cycle Options control rider I was running with was B.S'n me when he said we were in the .22's. I thought that was realistic and dang good because-- I was of the impression the really fast guys run .16's - .18's at Putnam

22's are a very realistic number and can be easly reached, so you probally where running 22's.

And yes, at the Cycle options track days, most of the fast guys are running in the 15 to 18 range. It is a track day nobody is really runing at "race" pace.

The fastest I've ever went there is 15's. I watched Jonas and Brandon run 12's during a FT race there. I've been on the track with Mark at Putnam, I have no idea what he was running. I was only able to keep him insight for a few turns.

[Lizard 1]

I think you were the one calling people slow. At least that's the way I took it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
And I have a name, it's John. :ssmoker:

I think :20s in advanced is slow. Yes. Take that for whatever way you wish.

The STT jab was totally on your side and came across as if you can easily wax most the instructors. You can't. But, behind a keyboard, you probably can. Oh, well...

Point I am trying to make is that it isn't uncommon for a good number of guys to come in and run :15s-:17s easily and under very little amount of effort. Not race pace.

By the way, I don't care if your name is Jesus - do I need to use it in the responses to make you feel more in tune or feel as if I am not ignoring you? John?
:confused:

[Lizard 1]

22's are a very realistic number and can be easly reached, so you probally where running 22's.

And yes, at the Cycle options track days, most of the fast guys are running in the 15 to 18 range. It is a track day nobody is really runing at "race" pace.

The fastest I've ever went there is 15's. I watched Jonas and Brandon run 12's during a FT race there. I've been on the track with Mark at Putnam, I have no idea what he was running. I was only able to keep him insight for a few turns.

Dude, just got back from CA and a sales meeting. I'll call ya here today when we're heading to or from the Cleveland Air Show...

[In The Blood]

I NEVER said I could "wax" anybody. I'm just an old man on an old bike. Just stating what I've seen. Sure, I've seen guys out there running those times but the majority, no. By your comment you're calling Stymie, Hancock, Wroble, and others slow. They're faster than me and I don't have a freight train behind me in advanced group. Besides, think how boring it would be if there weren't back markers like myself to pass every now and then.

[Lizard 1]

I NEVER said I could "wax" anybody. I'm just an old man on an old bike. Just stating what I've seen. Sure, I've seen guys out there running those times but the majority, no. By your comment you're calling Stymie, Hancock, Wroble, and others slow. They're faster than me and I don't have a freight train behind me in advanced group. Besides, think how boring it would be if there weren't back markers like myself to pass every now and then.

everyone here is slow. There's always someone faster. You calling STT instructors in the advanced group slow got me a little pissed. We'd welcome your instruction in going fast. You seem to be back pedaling now. It's all good.

See you around.

[dark6]

me too! :jamout


:jamout :jamout
im there too and going to blister the tarmac with my totally cool 24's.



24's I heard you run like 14's:bootyshak

[dark6]

and I could WAX all of you try me....






















No really I am slow as piss

[Lizard 1]

and I could WAX all of you try me....

Body waxes don't count!:p

[svguy]

and I could WAX all of you try me...
does that wax include a wash? cause my bike needs the bugs washed off!:Pest:

[dark6]

mmmmmmmmm body wax....... will you help me:smash:

[chrisOH]

I am kind of sad I won't be getting on putnam again with my 03 with fresh tires. Even running low 18s I was hitting traffic every 2-3 laps and it takes me a few straight laps to get moving.. I have only done one 17 there, but will have to see what the 1k will do maybe next year.

[ped]

:jamout :jamout




24's I heard you run like 14's:bootyshak


oh i do thats a typo, that to me is a good relaxed trackday pace.

[dark6]

:lol :lol :lol

[ipassedu2]

my best at putnam is 15.2! I will not be at this pace for this track day sadly! I just broke my arm and leg at beaver in a terrible highside!!!!!!!

[ped]

my best at putnam is 15.2! I will not be at this pace for this track day sadly! I just broke my arm and leg at beaver in a terrible highside!!!!!!!

oh no man thats sucks!

[RENCRN8]

my best at putnam is 15.2! I will not be at this pace for this track day sadly! I just broke my arm and leg at beaver in a terrible highside!!!!!!!


OUCH

Will you be able to ride at all?

[ipassedu2]

i cant ride yet lol. i have surgery sometime this week then i will super recover and still ride i hope!

[Fast Eddie]

my best at putnam is 15.2! I will not be at this pace for this track day sadly! I just broke my arm and leg at beaver in a terrible highside!!!!!!!


Hope you get well soon. That really sucks.

[serpentracer]

i cant ride yet lol. i have surgery sometime this week then i will super recover and still ride i hope!

no you won't. trust me. I've broken my arm and leg. you won't be allowd to walk for 4 months.
they probably wont even let you return to work if your job requires you to be on your feet.

[Booga]

no you won't. trust me. I've broken my arm and leg. you won't be allowd to walk for 4 months.
they probably wont even let you return to work if your job requires you to be on your feet.
He said riding, not walking :D

[RENCRN8]

Hell I was on crutches the last trackday 10 days after my accident. I wasn't that bad.... ;)

[A4est]

i cant ride yet lol. i have surgery sometime this week then i will super recover and still ride i hope!

Hope you heal soon and will make Putnam! At the very least, you can be a cheerleader! You just might need some pain meds. :beer

[Kanatuna]

I intend to run....at least in the 2........yea.....2 minute range. I think that is perfectly acceptable. Where are my guys at? Back a brother up man.:gunsup: :walking

lmao

[ipassedu2]

tuna u will love the track!!!!!!!

[ipassedu2]

Well i have to sell my 2 days now because i wont be able to ride! Anyone interested? Also whats the name of the local campground that everyone goes to?

[ped]

cloverdale i think it is.

[A4est]

Well i have to sell my 2 days now because i wont be able to ride! Anyone interested? Also whats the name of the local campground that everyone goes to?

I hope you are still comming! I could alway's use a pit bitch. :2peace2:

[ipassedu2]

i will deff be there

[RJH_5150]

That sucks they wont get you all fixed up by the end of the month. Make sure you (well that goes for everyone) swing by the campground Saturday night. Should be a good time. :thumbsup

[Kanatuna]

Brandon...you should try to get Jen to buy at least one of those days....

[shatteringstar]

i'm a procrastinator... i called 5 different places off the putnam's web site and they were all booked!

so im still looking and open to suggestions.

[ped]

they always say that, just dont worry about it. we'll let you know where to stay when you get your damn bumber.

[chrisOH]

Yeah i found a place in plain field.

[shatteringstar]

i think im just going to wing it and find a place just outside of downtown Indy. something 30mins away from the track hopefully

[serpentracer]

paul I called once when they had the indy 500 and they said they were all booked. so when I get there, the hotels were ghost towns.
cloverdale is 40 min west of indianapolis in the middle of nowhere. they won't be booked. trust me. I"ve been there 4 times and I'm like the 5th person to check in. they fill up after 10pm though. but not to capacity that I've seen. there is like 3 hotels within seeing distance of each other.

get there around 7-8 pm and you'll be fine.

[DBR0051]

Just my 2 cents. I have done several track days, mostly at Putnam. By far the most "friendly" was the Cycle options, some of the other groups think they are riding the last lap at the Daytona 200 every lap. For me it's to learn and have fun.
If it's your first time don't be intimidated it's actually easier than riding hard on the street, no cars or big trees to hit. I would recamend the street class and just run your line, don't watch the gauges-tape them off even, don't make any quick lane changes, let the faster bikes pass you, if you try to "get out of the way" you may end up where they were going to pass.
I have ridden in street and I-1, on several differant bikes, SV500 street tracker (slow), GSXR600 (not slow), SV650 (faster in corners than the 600) and my favorite a KTM 625 Supermoto (faster overall than all of them, only 115 mph in turn 1, but way fast in the corners). No matter what class there will be faster and slower riders there, just be consistant and safe. Pass in the straits if at all possible. A fast rider on a slow bike will beat a slow rider on a fast bike every time. These track days arn't races, they are TRACK DAYS, nobody cares who "wins" the session, no money, no tropheys and no pretty fence hangers. Again it's just for learning and fun.
Check your bike all around, tape off lights, put a dab of silicone or JB weld on your drain plug(saftey wire is best), a catch can is good if water cooled(water is also better than A/F) Good gear, helmet, gloves,suit,boots. Rest between rounds and drink lots of water, later in the day if you get really tired sit out a round, fatigue can really effect mind and body.
I'm by far NO expert at all, I just do these to have fun and tune my skills. I hope this may help a few folks!

[slikchik]

Sheesh, I'm starting to get nervous. I get the impression this whole thing was starting to turn into a huge pi$$ing contest. Keep me in the street group where the mildly sensible people are. Now I know why girls join Femmoto and do ladies only track days.

[ped]

Sheesh, I'm starting to get nervous. I get the impression this whole thing was starting to turn into a huge pi$$ing contest. Keep me in the street group where the mildly sensible people are. Now I know why girls join Femmoto and do ladies only track days.

??? are ya yeller :what: :D

[vera]

Sheesh, I'm starting to get nervous. I get the impression this whole thing was starting to turn into a huge pi$$ing contest. Keep me in the street group where the mildly sensible people are. Now I know why girls join Femmoto and do ladies only track days.

+ 1

after reading all the responses for this track day, I decided not to go. I don't want to end up like Ferdinand a couple of years ago and have some morons running me over because they turn it into their own little personal race and don't watch what's going on in front of them.

http://www.localriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8790&page=6&highlight=Putnam
http://www.localriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8996&highlight=Putnam


Hopefully Fastrax will be back next year and I will be out on the track with you again!

[schaibaa]

+ 1

after reading all the responses for this track day, I decided not to go. I don't want to end up like Ferdinand a couple of years ago and have some morons running me over because they turn it into their own little personal race and don't watch what's going on in front of them.

I knew it, Republican!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The majority of people that are arguing about times and dick-wagging aren't going to be there, or aren't riding in your class.

Decisions based upon irrelevant factors, BRILLIANT!

[ped]

oh jebus.....

[schaibaa]

I'm just joking, sorry to make you the ass of the joke, Vera. Accidents happen in every class in every org, and the posts on this message board are pretty tame.

[serpentracer]

+ 1

after reading all the responses for this track day, I decided not to go. I don't want to end up like Ferdinand a couple of years ago and have some morons running me over because they turn it into their own little personal race and don't watch what's going on in front of them.

http://www.localriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8790&page=6&highlight=Putnam
http://www.localriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8996&highlight=Putnam


Hopefully Fastrax will be back next year and I will be out on the track with you again!

No offence to you vera, but I think the track is not the place for someone with a huge fear of it.
but I wouldn't want to be in the beginers group with someone that is scared.
fear I have found is a riders biggest enemy on a motorcycle. the motorcycle is the stable part of the equation, the rider is the wild card.

[ipassedu2]

I must have missed the whole pissing match? Dont be scared on the track or else you might be the person taking someone out. Also dont look back!

[ped]

I must have missed the whole pissing match?

i havent a clue as to what they're talking about myself :what:

[schaibaa]

A few ppl arguing how fast A group should be, etc - all the talk of lap times.

[ped]

A few ppl arguing how fast A group should be, etc - all the talk of lap times.
thats what i thought but,
talking about speed and skill for group allocation and laptimes at *gasp* a race track.....sorry i still dont get it. i guess we should just talk about going out and seeing who can ride slower down the straight then...i mean it might be weird if we start saying something like 'we're going to get lower laptimes no matter what happens and whos in my way.' then maybe i could see some scrap of anxiety.


weird

[serpentracer]

motorcycles are inherently dangerous even at the track? the heck you say....who would have thought?

[Kanatuna]

I must have missed the whole pissing match? Dont be scared on the track or else you might be the person taking someone out. Also dont look back!


I have to pee right now....:thumbsup

[A4est]

I bet I can post a slower time than all of you! :Pest:

[dark6]

^I dont know I am a pretty crappy rider....

[shatteringstar]

i bet i can go slower than u :p

[dark6]

nope I will crash....

[A4est]

nope I will crash....

Don't do it in my class! I don't want to miss any track time. :2peace2:

[dark6]

lol I will not crash......

[Kanatuna]

hahhaahaha

[MelloGS]

This is gonna be great!:bowling:

[A4est]

I have decided to paint my track bike for this weekend.
It is going to be two colors. My number is going to be 0.
Can anyone guess the colors?

[jparker]

Blue and Yellow?

[RENCRN8]

I have decided to paint my track bike for this weekend.
It is going to be two colors. My number is going to be 0.
Can anyone guess the colors?

Pink and purple?!?

[RJH_5150]

Don't spend too much making your bike look pretty because your first crash is usually directly proportional to the cost of you paint job. :D :Pest:

I have decided to paint my track bike for this weekend.
It is going to be two colors. My number is going to be 0.
Can anyone guess the colors?

[chrisOH]

Hey I got sevearl weekends on mine :D And it is still good for next year, just has character now...

[chrisOH]

Everyone, make sure you change your anti-freeze to water and preferably water with water wetter (for the bikes sake) for this weekend.

[A4est]

Even though Pink & Purple sounds realy neet, Nick, it is more your style. The number 0 is the clue.

I'm painting it myself to keep the cost vs crash percentage down.

[shatteringstar]

"dukes of hazzard" orange?

[A4est]

"dukes of hazzard" orange?

That was 01.
The clear coat went on last night. I touched up a couple spots tonight. Hope to sand, sticker & put back together tomorrow. Not perfect, but good for race bike. Next clue.... OH.._ _

[shatteringstar]

... IO

scarlet and grey

[ped]

either orange and black or red and silver.

[A4est]

... IO

scarlet and grey

We have a winner!!! :#1

Hoping to sand the clear coat and start putting it back together tonight & tomorrow. Have to go fix a shower in one of my apartment buildings first. I also went to Columbus & bought $130 in stickers to put on it. Can't wait to get it done!
See you at the track!

[ped]

you poser with your stickers, you getting paid to advertise ;)

[serpentracer]

I hate to be such a mooch, but will anyone have a generator that I could plug into?

if not, I'm renting one. I have a new set of tire warmers and I would like to use them sometime this year. LOL

[dark6]

hey randy if you rent oni I may just help you pay for it because me gen no workie

[serpentracer]

hey randy if you rent oni I may just help you pay for it because me gen no workie

ok, I already picked it up.:2peace2: I will probably be pitted over by the restroom building. if you have a power strip bring it. I have only a 3 way.

[ped]

that turd aint gonna power two sets...

[ipassedu2]

were are outa here!

[dark6]

loading up right now

[A4est]

I just got loaded. Too late so leaving in the AM.
Didn't even get to polish & sticker the bike. At least it's back to gether & running strong!

[RENCRN8]

I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it.....I'm about to lose control, and I think I like it.

[Kanatuna]

Well....I'm back from my track day at Putnam. I was running consistent 1:26's through 1:27's. No crashes and not too many scary moments. LOL I feel good about it all. Not bad for being on a 95" 600 Katana. lol I will post pics/vid soon. Hope everyone made it home safe.:#1

[ped]

no thats not bad on that bike at all. :thumbsup i didnt have a timer, but i had ended up not having any problem staying right behind my buddy consistantly running low-mid 21's at the end of the day.

[ped]

http://www.localriders.com/photopost/data//500/Picture_0201.jpg
http://www.localriders.com/photopost/data//500/Picture_091.jpg
http://www.localriders.com/photopost/data//500/Picture_064.jpg
http://www.localriders.com/photopost/data//500/Picture_087.jpg
http://www.localriders.com/photopost/data//500/Picture_109.jpg

[ped]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3870389070306791593&hl=en

[dark6]

rock on, I will post pics later tired and going to bed!

[A4est]

Great Vid Ped!
I had a great weekend!
Hope to ride with all of you again soon! :cheers:

[ipassedu2]

hell yea everyone! Mass pics soon! Just a couple broken bones today and a whole lot of speed!

[MelloGS]

I had an amazing first trackday. ThankYou to everyone that helped me out!

[chrisOH]

I was disappointed some, after getting comfortable back into the 18s, and 17s when the Indy Superbikes, and #370 came by I was hoping to drop into the 16s. Just can't trust the bike right now at max lean as I keep expecting it to slide (mostly front tire)

[ped]

nice to meet ya chris.

[RENCRN8]

My new camera needs a little work before it is perfect, but you get the idea.
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[shatteringstar]

where's all the crash vidoes? hell there were about 10-20 bikes down or off roading.

[mdharris]

^^ two of the crashes in the street group were me :(

got in a little over my head the first time, and had a brain fart the second. unfortunately that second get-off ended my weekend with a bent clip-on and broken clutch lever.

[chrisOH]

Evidently there was a R1 that went down right behind me. I saw something I wanted to show him (can't remember what it was now) so I started to go around out of Bust stop and didn't get the run i wanted since I was still in 3rd gear following him and not 2nd.

Stayed in 2nd out of dead bear and got a run out and as I pulled along side I saw him Pin the throttle, I guess he didn't see the green shirt yet. I got just a bit passed and turned in early into 9 tapping the tail of while braking and turning in for him to follow. I see the red flag on the front straight, then slow down and he ain't there. I see another bike off out of T2, then see him just off the edge of the track in T9. From what Jeff at pit out said was that he got on the front brakes too hard and tucked the front. I guess it might have been after he saw the green shirt he kind of Oh' Shit.

[serpentracer]

yeah that almost happened to me, I turn into 7 and there is this guy with silver leathers/green shirt and a green bike there. :moon: (I seen the word HANCOCK on his leathers...:D

he's just lucky....I'm good enough not to panic.:spanked :D

I also seen my first 19's.:#1

[chrisOH]

Congrats on the 19. That first sub 20 is a feat....


Yeah T7 was where I had my first legit stuff.. I was about 3 ft off the curb heading to apex when I saw just a front wheel inside. Stood it up .5 of a second and back down. Did it back to the guy next lap, and we came both just a grinning and laughing...

[A4est]

Great riding rencrn8! That Duck of your has some power!

Hancock,
Thanks for the tow after lunch! I bumped up to advanced the last 2 sessions. :cheers: Didn't beet my best time but ran more consistant lap times. I'm just a hair away from my first teen!
Forrest.

ChrisOH,
What were you riding? I was on the old Scarlet & Grey GSXR. I always appreciate the control riders!

[RENCRN8]

Great riding rencrn8! That Duck of your has some power!

Hancock,
Thanks for the tow after lunch! I bumped up to advanced the last 2 sessions. :cheers: Didn't beet my best time but ran more consistant lap times. I'm just a hair away from my first teen!
Forrest.

ChrisOH,
What were you riding? I was on the old Scarlet & Grey GSXR. I always appreciate the control riders!

Thanks Andy.
I am very pleased with how I am riding, especially considering it was only my second time on a track ever....

Rob was towing me around on that vid, he was a great help.

I want to do it again soon. Any more trackdays this year? I think I have the bug...

I need more!

[MelloGS]

Oh yea, thanks Hancock for showing me your line through dead bear! That, along with Andy's lines, helped me make my 19!!

[ipassedu2]

some video from I class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HrZmoyujnY

[Salz]

Nice video PED !!

[chrisOH]

A4est I was a CR on the Silver and Orange GSXR #283

[chrisOH]

I can't decide if I want to change my line thorugh DB as well. Right now I run a semi Double apex line but wonder if running a wider entry will help.. But thinking racing I have trouble not defending that inside line.

[RJH_5150]

Welcome to the advanced group. :D :Pest:


yeah that almost happened to me, I turn into 7 and there is this guy with silver leathers/green shirt and a green bike there. :moon: (I seen the word HANCOCK on his leathers...:D

he's just lucky....I'm good enough not to panic.:spanked :D

I also seen my first 19's.:#1

[RJH_5150]

I had an absolute ball this weekend. It was awesome to see everyone improving their skills. Everybody was riding safer and faster. I think the highlight of my weekend was riding Mike's TZ250. Holy crap! :eek: That thing had insane corner speed. I also got to watch someone get their knee down for the first time. You should have seen how excited he was when we got back into the pits.

Thanks Kenny and Dean for putting on a great track day. If I don't have a conflicting race next spring I will see you there.:thumbsup

[chrisOH]

A lot of people saying you were Jerking and pulling them.. Did you have the tow rope out again???

[MelloGS]

Yea, I had the most trouble in dead bear, I almost highsided coming out of it the first session I road in advanced after lunch on Sunday!

Yea Hancock! You passed me coming out of dead bear like I was standing still! I saw the mini exhausts and remembered looking down at that bike during the riders meeting. You were railin that thing!!

[chrisOH]

Yeah even racing Rob is one of the few I still enjoy watching ride. How he does everything so smooth always just leaves me going how do you do that.

[zx7rking]

Yeah even racing Rob is one of the few I still enjoy watching ride. How he does everything so smooth always just leaves me going how do you do that.

I had a blast following Rob the second to the last Advanced session on Sunday. I passed him, then he passed me back, and I kept up with him, then my fuel light came on. I didnt want to pull a Hancock and run out of gas :spanked so I had to let him go.

[chrisOH]

:lol


Yeah I came off one of my Sunday morning advanced and was going to to right back out in Int, looked down and saw my fuel light.. started laughing as I turned around and went back to my pit.

[50then627]

Had a great time and was wondering if there were any photographers @ Putnam.I didn't see any but I wasn't really looking either.I know RPM Photo wasn't there but was thinking someone else might have been.

[zx7rking]

I was there Sunday. I Shot the Inter group, as I was in advanced and had to get ready during the Beginners group. I hope to have my shots uploaded to a flickr page this evening. I'll post the link when I get them up.

[50then627]

Okay,thanks! Looking forward to seeing the pics!

[WOZERD]

I can't decide if I want to change my line thorugh DB as well. Right now I run a semi Double apex line but wonder if running a wider entry will help.. But thinking racing I have trouble not defending that inside line.


(FWIW)
The wider entry really lets you carry some speed through DB. Then, it opens up and you can stand it up and get into it sooner running right out to the edge on the right. The next turn is a right hander, going in wide in DB sets you up on the inside for that right hander.
Not that I'm all that good but, I would stay tight on the bus stop then run down the right side and,as most others would be braking for the turn in for DB I'd still be upright and on it. Go in wide, swing down then out to the edge and pass a crap load. They really got to have some motor to catch you on that short chute and, even if they do, you got the inside (so just push em out a little :#1 ) and plenty of room to drift out for the drive on the straight!!

[A4est]

ChrisOH,
I have been to Putnam with a number of groups. What I have been told is going into Dead Bear wide with a late apex is the fast way. But if you are in a race with someone close on your 6. They will take your line!.... So will some of your buddies during a track day!

[WOZERD]

some video from I class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HrZmoyujnY


EXCELLENT!! The music fits perfectly!!
I love how you let them run ahead on the straight (you DID LET THEM-- didn't you??) and then pass them all again in the corners!!

Damn I wish I was there!!

[serpentracer]

Welcome to the advanced group. :D :Pest:

:lol
well thank you...
you weren't the only guy passing me. I was a total back marker for the most part.

[serpentracer]

a friends wife got a cool one of me

http://www.localriders.com/photopost/data//500/2900482255_293643f577_b_Medium.jpg


and for some reason, this one looks pretty cool to me.

http://www.localriders.com/photopost/data//500/2900478121_ba2032cb20_b_Medium.jpg

[chrisOH]

Since DB is so long a corner you can enter in many different ways and still hit your apex.

Right now I run in early clip the entrance area inside curb, still braking to knee down at about mid way through corner to about 5ft off inside. Then release brake and open gas to begin bringing it as the up hill cambered portion is there. I make my apex then end of the curbing on the inside and start to stand it up and add more power.

In 3rd gear on the 1k I run about 3/4 of the track at exit (gives me some space if I run wide on the gas) the front wheel lifts mid way through the short chute. I pull the bike back to 1/2 track and then start trail braking into 9.

[Kanatuna]

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Me on the Katana at the track. Great times:walking

[Salz]

Cool video!! Did you fix the Honda? You could ride it next time!

[Lizard 1]

(FWIW)
The wider entry really lets you carry some speed through DB. Then, it opens up and you can stand it up and get into it sooner running right out to the edge on the right. The next turn is a right hander, going in wide in DB sets you up on the inside for that right hander.
Not that I'm all that good but, I would stay tight on the bus stop then run down the right side and,as most others would be braking for the turn in for DB I'd still be upright and on it. Go in wide, swing down then out to the edge and pass a crap load. They really got to have some motor to catch you on that short chute and, even if they do, you got the inside (so just push em out a little :#1 ) and plenty of room to drift out for the drive on the straight!!

The bus stop needs to be approached wide on entry and apexed tight and wide out under hard acceleration for proper drive out. Swing to the right, but not too wide as it is counter productive. Apex before the rise in elevation and carry that speed outward almost to the spot where the cross over meets (You almost jump the curbing). Carry wide out and cross back to the left to set up for 9.

The two points of more concern is turn 1 and turns 9 and 10. They will kill time or help lower your time if you do them right. Putnam is corner speed and not technical so, the time is gained or lost in the turns themselves...

Not picking on anyone and such as I know a lot of you are still learning and trying, but cornerspeed needs to be the focus at Putnam...

[Lizard 1]

Right now I run in early clip the entrance area inside curb, still braking to knee down at about mid way through corner to about 5ft off inside. Then release brake and open gas to begin bringing it as the up hill cambered portion is there. I make my apex then end of the curbing on the inside and start to stand it up and add more power.

However, enetering too tight like this, Chris will scrub too much speed and not allow you to efficiently get through the turn itself.

Yes, DB is not a big corner that will make or break a lap time as it seems some think. One reason is that everyone pretty much goes THROUGH the turn fairly equal. The entrance and exit are the points to worry about. It will dictate the amount of speed you carry through it.

That being said, if you set up right of the sealer (I believe the little spot is still there) that signals the best turn in time/point. Exit wider as if you are only exiting 3/4 of the way, you have a lot more room to use and can accelerate moreso.

Of course, a lot of these guys are running slower times and don't need to use all the track, but as they get faster, that space will be needed. Sounds like you all had fun. Why don't more folks come to the STT events?

[RENCRN8]

Sounds like you all had fun. Why don't more folks come to the STT events?


I know I had a blast. I know myself and my buds would be happy to come to some STT events. Can you post up when they are happeneing? A little bit of advertising on here will go a long way I think. STT is mostly at Mid-Ohio? I would love to ride that track. I am looking to get as much track time and pointers as possible, so a different atmosphere with different folks is cool with me. Let me know when some events are and I will make it. Any left this year????

[zx7rking]

Here are some of the Photos I took. I only got a handful uploaded yesterday...I uhh...HAD to go get my other bike fix in yesterday (Mountain biking) Havent been on it since the big Ike Wind Storm.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27339962@N02/

I'll upload the rest tonight.

[chrisOH]

However, enetering too tight like this, Chris will scrub too much speed and not allow you to efficiently get through the turn itself.

Yes, DB is not a big corner that will make or break a lap time as it seems some think. One reason is that everyone pretty much goes THROUGH the turn fairly equal. The entrance and exit are the points to worry about. It will dictate the amount of speed you carry through it.

That being said, if you set up right of the sealer (I believe the little spot is still there) that signals the best turn in time/point. Exit wider as if you are only exiting 3/4 of the way, you have a lot more room to use and can accelerate moreso.

Of course, a lot of these guys are running slower times and don't need to use all the track, but as they get faster, that space will be needed. Sounds like you all had fun. Why don't more folks come to the STT events?



When I get there I'll have to check that line out. I was thinking a wider entrance to the Apex will help with the short chute. I do know with my line as it is I need a wider line into Apex to benefit from earlier apex or I will be jumpinb curb and into the Grass I go :D

T1 I am struggling with commitment. I have trouble making the 100% commitment in lean knowing I will the 6-8 inch line on the inside underneath the wripple bumps. Once I have confidence in myself to do that my CS will increase probably 10 mph or more.

[schaibaa]

Sounds like you all had fun. Why don't more folks come to the STT events?

When I take my 9 yr old nephew to the track for the first time, it will definatley be a STT event. They are much more organized and offer a way safer novice program.

Factor #1 is the price I think. STT is always more expensive. Granted, you do get a free lunch and there are way more control riders. Along those lines, STT (in my opinion) seems pretty controlling.

I think the other big thing is that this was an event that's been planned for a LONG time. It was $235 for two days. STT is about $200 for 1 day right? Plus, this was on the weekend, and most Mid Ohio STT events seem to fall on weekdays. So when it comes down to it, getting 20-25 ppl together is tough on a week day, and the financial commitment was lower.

[chrisOH]

STT at Putnam is about $155 with $5 gate fee.

[Lizard 1]

I know I had a blast. I know myself and my buds would be happy to come to some STT events. Can you post up when they are happeneing? A little bit of advertising on here will go a long way I think. STT is mostly at Mid-Ohio? I would love to ride that track. I am looking to get as much track time and pointers as possible, so a different atmosphere with different folks is cool with me. Let me know when some events are and I will make it. Any left this year????


STT is ALL over the US. Mid-Ohio gets a lot of talk on local boards for obvious reasons. We'll be exclusive at a few new tracks, as well, but we hit (regionally) Mid-Ohio, Putnam, Road America, Joliet, Autobahn, Grattan, Gingerman, Nashville, Beaver, etc. Much more in other regions. Best bet would be to hit up www.sportbiketracktime.com to check schedules or to see where we were this season and probably next year.

[Lizard 1]

When I take my 9 yr old nephew to the track for the first time, it will definatley be a STT event. They are much more organized and offer a way safer novice program.

Factor #1 is the price I think. STT is always more expensive. Granted, you do get a free lunch and there are way more control riders. Along those lines, STT (in my opinion) seems pretty controlling.

I think the other big thing is that this was an event that's been planned for a LONG time. It was $235 for two days. STT is about $200 for 1 day right? Plus, this was on the weekend, and most Mid Ohio STT events seem to fall on weekdays. So when it comes down to it, getting 20-25 ppl together is tough on a week day, and the financial commitment was lower.

It depends on the track, but it ranges for two days to be $250 to $300 at most regular tracks. Mid-Ohio is more due to costs of the track and the fact it is one of the best tracks in the region. Other tracks like Barber, etc are expensive, as well due to the fact they are full schedule tracks that hold a LOT of pro events and pro testing days. Putnam is great, but it isn't a Barber or Mid-Ohio in terms of facility and condition, etc...

That said, there are benfits from being a member, as well and there are a lot of times that you can go to the site and buy an event from a person and save even more. I think Putnam was $250 for both days and again, not bashing Cycle Options and the "savings", but for $15 more and getting a little better event set-up, it is something to surely consider.

Cycle Option is cool and they do only Putnam, but they don't get top billing at choices for events so, they tend to get weird dates and such. No biggie as more the merrier, but don't overlook STT due to some people "thinking" they are WAY more in cost...

[Lizard 1]

STT at Putnam is about $155 with $5 gate fee.


That was a single day price. They obviously encourage two day participation. Plus, that extra attention to the novice group is well worth the extra money. It's a GREAT class to go and run if you need one on one or want to learn outside "here ya go, green flag"...

Oh, and that extra cost is also due to it being a weekend typically. The first Putnam, for example was a weekend and I think actually all the Putnam events are weekends... Mid-Ohio and Barber are usually weekedays as again, the cost for a weekend is typically double and why we run LED events so we can share with a car club, etc. for the day...

[chrisOH]

Yeah I have rarely done 2 days with STT at Putnam since Dad can't last 2 days and nice to have Sunday home..

Yeah STT does get their days weekends, the only one I think is risky is the first April day as weather is a toss up. They actually get quite a few weekend Barber dates.

I was just putting the price I know out that it wasn't the $220 for one day that Mid OH is.

I want to keep going to Putnam to get faster, but hard to do that when i know I am not racing there :( I will see if I can get with you some day there)

[MelloGS]

Thanks for the photo! I'm #81.

Here the lap that helped with DB
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[ped]

The two points of more concern is turn 1 and turns 9 and 10. They will kill time or help lower your time if you do them right. Putnam is corner speed and not technical so, the time is gained or lost in the turns themselves...


i have trouble with my bike through t1 the faster i take it. my bike bounces like hell and pushes out and just generally feels too wild. i always end up over braking for it and having to get back on the gas before turn in.
t9 if i take a race line through it scares me cause of the pavement transistion just past apex really upsets the bike.
t10 i know i could take alot faster and even accel more before but i almost highsided there and seeing that wall in my peripheral kinda messes with me a little.
but all this is the fun of trackdays. thanks for the input.

[WOZERD]

"The bus stop needs to be approached wide on entry and apexed tight and wide out under hard acceleration for proper drive out. Swing to the right, but not too wide as it is counter productive. Apex before the rise in elevation and carry that speed outward almost to the spot where the cross over meets (You almost jump the curbing). Carry wide out and cross back to the left to set up for 9."

If you mean squaring off the bus stop, that's what I tried to do. If I come in too shallow, I would go too wide and lose a lot of time (that ONE time I was there, the track was constantly damp at best and I would spin the back tire and get all high sidey coming out of it). But, the exit of DB is just like you said, Using the crossover and often banging off the curb. Sounds like I was doing something right!!
I noticed in the video by ipassedu2 there were a lot of riders getting passed on the outside by running wide on the exit of 4 (first left hander). That is also the line I took with the same results. Now, granted, I was in a slow(er) group at the time but, IS that the fast line? Going wide, right out to the curb?

[chrisOH]

Depends on when you get on the gas out of 4. If you get on the gas hard and start your drive out early enough you can get more speed. But if you aren't gettting the speed to use it, it is just covering more distance thus adding more time to your lap.

I wasn't using all of it most of the time, but I am still learning when to pick up that 1k and hammer it.

[chrisOH]

Yeah Bus Stop I try to brake hard out wide then just throw it in hard and late, hit apex stand it up and shoot out.

[ipassedu2]

When i learned turn 1 and 2 i dropped seriouse time. Also 5 and 6 are ful throttle turns so dont let off till u get to bus stop. DB is just plain scary and like lizard said there isnt much time loss/gain in that turn. As for STT days I personally dont like the extream organization of the event. I do however agree that it is a good place for new riders to go. I am going to organize another track day at Putnam for next season so everyone keep an eye out! This time i had 26 riders and 15 family/friends show up and next time i want way more!

[bprodoehl]

Hey Lizard,
Will STT be doing anything with Bluegrass Motorsports Club and Road Course next year? That 30 minute drive looks awful attractive....

[zx7rking]

Added some more pics.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27339962@N02/

[serpentracer]

I went to the desmo/stt day this year. too expensive. (for putnam anyway)

[chrisOH]

There is no way possible to stay WOT through 5 from the short shute. Unless maybe a 250 or 125.

T6 is doable, but is very hard to get slowed down for T7 when staying hard on the gas on the 1k through T6.

[Lizard 1]

Yeah I have rarely done 2 days with STT at Putnam since Dad can't last 2 days and nice to have Sunday home..

Yeah STT does get their days weekends, the only one I think is risky is the first April day as weather is a toss up. They actually get quite a few weekend Barber dates.

I was just putting the price I know out that it wasn't the $220 for one day that Mid OH is.

I want to keep going to Putnam to get faster, but hard to do that when i know I am not racing there :( I will see if I can get with you some day there)

Again, not all Mid-Ohio singlee days are $220. Two day events are less per day and obviously, LEDs are the best value...